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This problem is almost certainly Mailchimp-specific. The talent was decimated after the owners sold it to Intuit.

kneebonian 4y ago
That's the thing you can't outsource IT security because in order to be secure you need to have institutional understanding.
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  But if your devs are outsourced...?
iamacyborg 4y ago
> This problem is almost certainly Mailchimp-specific. It's not. Multiple marketing automation/email service provider platforms were affected by similar hacks last year.
- NelsonMinar 4y ago
  Once is a hack. Three times in a year is a systemic business problem.
- echelon 4y ago
  Mailchimp was gutted. You have to understand the sort of mythical place the company had in the nascent Atlanta tech scene. It was one of the first Atlanta tech unicorns and was growing and hiring at a rapid clip. The founders promised never to sell and that they would give annual bonuses in exchange for not offering employee equity. The office was brimming with art, music, and perks that were unusual for Atlanta at the time. They said they were going to build a generational Atlanta tech company. I desperately tried to recruit my friends that worked at Mailchimp away, because I saw the writing on the wall. I had joined a promising startup offering significant equity, and more importantly, building real value in the world. To my disappointment, none of my Mailchimp friends joined me. They liked the culture too much, felt comfortable, and continued to tout the bonuses they were receiving despite Mailchimp offering lower total comp. I never stopped trying to pull them away, but I didn't succeed. I received counter offers and heard the Kool Aid stories. "The founders are so cool and so generous." The job itself isn't that interesting, either. Marketing and email advertising isn't intellectually attractive. To top it off, Mailchimp has a disgusting PHP monolith that I've heard is like pulling teeth to work with. I was right in the end. I walked away with a huge eight figure exit. Mailchimp employees got pay cuts, benefit cuts, and saw their culture ravaged. Intuit took what little niceties they had and threw it all to the wind. Macy's and Home Depot have better software jobs. I really don't like Mailchimp. The company is rotten.
  - axpy906 4y ago
    You worked at Autotrader?
    - echelon 4y ago
      No, I'm not familiar with them.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    > said they were going to build a generational Atlanta tech company. And you thought a company whose raison d'être was email marketing was going to be a “generational company”? I worked in Atlanta until late last year.
    - echelon 4y ago
      Not my words. I've always disliked Mailchimp and their pretentious self-importance.

That's the thing you can't outsource IT security because in order to be secure you need to have institutional understanding.

AtlasBarfed 4y ago
But if your devs are outsourced...?

iamacyborg 4y ago

> This problem is almost certainly Mailchimp-specific. It's not. Multiple marketing automation/email service provider platforms were affected by similar hacks last year.

NelsonMinar 4y ago
Once is a hack. Three times in a year is a systemic business problem.
echelon 4y ago
Mailchimp was gutted. You have to understand the sort of mythical place the company had in the nascent Atlanta tech scene. It was one of the first Atlanta tech unicorns and was growing and hiring at a rapid clip. The founders promised never to sell and that they would give annual bonuses in exchange for not offering employee equity. The office was brimming with art, music, and perks that were unusual for Atlanta at the time. They said they were going to build a generational Atlanta tech company. I desperately tried to recruit my friends that worked at Mailchimp away, because I saw the writing on the wall. I had joined a promising startup offering significant equity, and more importantly, building real value in the world. To my disappointment, none of my Mailchimp friends joined me. They liked the culture too much, felt comfortable, and continued to tout the bonuses they were receiving despite Mailchimp offering lower total comp. I never stopped trying to pull them away, but I didn't succeed. I received counter offers and heard the Kool Aid stories. "The founders are so cool and so generous." The job itself isn't that interesting, either. Marketing and email advertising isn't intellectually attractive. To top it off, Mailchimp has a disgusting PHP monolith that I've heard is like pulling teeth to work with. I was right in the end. I walked away with a huge eight figure exit. Mailchimp employees got pay cuts, benefit cuts, and saw their culture ravaged. Intuit took what little niceties they had and threw it all to the wind. Macy's and Home Depot have better software jobs. I really don't like Mailchimp. The company is rotten.
- axpy906 4y ago
  You worked at Autotrader?
  - echelon 4y ago
    No, I'm not familiar with them.
- scarface74 4y ago
  > said they were going to build a generational Atlanta tech company. And you thought a company whose raison d'être was email marketing was going to be a “generational company”? I worked in Atlanta until late last year.
  - echelon 4y ago
    Not my words. I've always disliked Mailchimp and their pretentious self-importance.