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The ICE Winnes start at... ~$150K. For that price I could get a fully kitted out F150 Lightning, a nice lightweight travel trailer, and still have the same awfu

The ICE Winnes start at... ~$150K. For that price I could get a fully kitted out F150 Lightning, a nice lightweight travel trailer, and still have the same awful range while towing it but have a useful vehicle once I'm not towing it. And have over $50,000 in extra change to boot.

aga98mtl 4y ago
The F150 Lightning pricing seems great, but can you buy it at that price? (No) I think that the prices put out in press releases mean nothing if the manufacturers have no intention to deliver a meaningful amount, sold at MRSP, within a year.
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dredmorbius 4y ago
Stealthing is also a thing. It's challenging to stealth-mode (not look like a camper / home when you really are one) with a trailer, less so when you've got a single integrated vehicle. Not that there aren't strong arguments in favour of trailers as well (you note several).
- fajkvadfsdsa 4y ago
  Stealthing is not a thing. Everyone just points and says "oh look, there's someone trying to stealth camp."
  - SkyPuncher 4y ago
    It's insane how many people think stealthing is a thing. No, your randomly parked commercial van does not magically blend into a neighborhood. Everyone knows that someone is sleeping in it.
    - kayodelycaon 4y ago
      I’ve seen exactly one setup that might work: Prius with blacked out rear windows. Even then, the curtain behind the front seats was suspicious.
  - this_steve_j 4y ago
    Let Stealthing be the proposition p. If p is the case and ¬p the case, then the negation of ¬(p ∧ ¬p) is unsatisfiable. QED there is a dude sleeping in that van for whom Stealthing is the case, and an observer outside the van for whom it is not the case; for all values of dude, van, and observer.
  - tw98521358 4y ago
    Yeah but then you remember that that van was 200k so the person in the van is probably richer than you. Like nobody is going to say anything if you are sleeping in the Ferrari or raptor either.
SkyPuncher 4y ago
I'm heavily considering a class B despite currently having an SUV plus 15' trailer combo. The nicest part about having an integrated unit is the ability to navigate most road infrastructure and parking lots. There are a lot of places where it's either no fun or literally impossible to navigate with a trailer. For instance parking in any city-like environment. That includes dinky "cities" of 20k people.
- kldavis4 4y ago
  I agree but the downside of a class C or B is unless you are towing a toad, anytime you want to leave your camp site, you'll need to pack up your camper, versus parking and setting up your temporary home, and being able to come and go effortlessly. It's all tradeoffs though and just depends on how you plan to use it.
  - anon7725 4y ago
    A truck camper is a bit of a unicorn - class B level flexibility (modulo a higher roof clearance), with the ability to dismount the camper at a campsite if needed.
    - Gibbon1 4y ago
      Some of my friends have trucks with pop up campers on them. Advantage is cheapish and you can put them on a 4WD truck. They are pretty good if you're going away for a weekend to some off road place. As someone that camps otherwise stock van with a sofa bed every type of camping system has it's advantages, disadvantages, and costs. Show me any type of camping setup and I can tell you why it's non starter for a lot of people. And perfect for others. My take about electric RV's is essentially RV's are all built on a van, truck, or bus chassis. When those become available with enough range you'll see RV's built on them as a standard option.
  - vondur 4y ago
    Yes, that’s the big decision when getting an RV. Trailer or Motorhome. I have the small Micro Minnie trailer from Winnebago.
jmspring 4y ago
With the lightning, you are dealing with having to worry about charging and range. Towing, as has been noted across a few of the automotive periodicals, be it a lightweight trailer or not, also impacts range. I have a class-b sprinter RV (4x4). It wasn't cheap and diesel isn't particularly cheap either. However, I can camp a number of places that would be next to impossible with the setup you mention. I will grant you, some of the places I am thinking aren't the ones you would be taking a winnebego... On another note, RV parks, which you would probably be camping at in order to have access to a power outlet, have extremely varying quality of their 30 and 50amp outlets.

aga98mtl 4y ago

The F150 Lightning pricing seems great, but can you buy it at that price? (No) I think that the prices put out in press releases mean nothing if the manufacturers have no intention to deliver a meaningful amount, sold at MRSP, within a year.

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dredmorbius 4y ago

Stealthing is also a thing. It's challenging to stealth-mode (not look like a camper / home when you really are one) with a trailer, less so when you've got a single integrated vehicle. Not that there aren't strong arguments in favour of trailers as well (you note several).

fajkvadfsdsa 4y ago
Stealthing is not a thing. Everyone just points and says "oh look, there's someone trying to stealth camp."
- SkyPuncher 4y ago
  It's insane how many people think stealthing is a thing. No, your randomly parked commercial van does not magically blend into a neighborhood. Everyone knows that someone is sleeping in it.
  - kayodelycaon 4y ago
    I’ve seen exactly one setup that might work: Prius with blacked out rear windows. Even then, the curtain behind the front seats was suspicious.
- this_steve_j 4y ago
  Let Stealthing be the proposition p. If p is the case and ¬p the case, then the negation of ¬(p ∧ ¬p) is unsatisfiable. QED there is a dude sleeping in that van for whom Stealthing is the case, and an observer outside the van for whom it is not the case; for all values of dude, van, and observer.
- tw98521358 4y ago
  Yeah but then you remember that that van was 200k so the person in the van is probably richer than you. Like nobody is going to say anything if you are sleeping in the Ferrari or raptor either.

SkyPuncher 4y ago

I'm heavily considering a class B despite currently having an SUV plus 15' trailer combo. The nicest part about having an integrated unit is the ability to navigate most road infrastructure and parking lots. There are a lot of places where it's either no fun or literally impossible to navigate with a trailer. For instance parking in any city-like environment. That includes dinky "cities" of 20k people.

kldavis4 4y ago
I agree but the downside of a class C or B is unless you are towing a toad, anytime you want to leave your camp site, you'll need to pack up your camper, versus parking and setting up your temporary home, and being able to come and go effortlessly. It's all tradeoffs though and just depends on how you plan to use it.
- anon7725 4y ago
  A truck camper is a bit of a unicorn - class B level flexibility (modulo a higher roof clearance), with the ability to dismount the camper at a campsite if needed.
  - Gibbon1 4y ago
    Some of my friends have trucks with pop up campers on them. Advantage is cheapish and you can put them on a 4WD truck. They are pretty good if you're going away for a weekend to some off road place. As someone that camps otherwise stock van with a sofa bed every type of camping system has it's advantages, disadvantages, and costs. Show me any type of camping setup and I can tell you why it's non starter for a lot of people. And perfect for others. My take about electric RV's is essentially RV's are all built on a van, truck, or bus chassis. When those become available with enough range you'll see RV's built on them as a standard option.
- vondur 4y ago
  Yes, that’s the big decision when getting an RV. Trailer or Motorhome. I have the small Micro Minnie trailer from Winnebago.

jmspring 4y ago

With the lightning, you are dealing with having to worry about charging and range. Towing, as has been noted across a few of the automotive periodicals, be it a lightweight trailer or not, also impacts range. I have a class-b sprinter RV (4x4). It wasn't cheap and diesel isn't particularly cheap either. However, I can camp a number of places that would be next to impossible with the setup you mention. I will grant you, some of the places I am thinking aren't the ones you would be taking a winnebego... On another note, RV parks, which you would probably be camping at in order to have access to a power outlet, have extremely varying quality of their 30 and 50amp outlets.