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I'd love an e-ink side monitor to browse documentation while I'm coding in the main screen or whatever, but certainly not for $750. $250, tops. It's a shame th

by fmajid 4y ago

I'd love an e-ink side monitor to browse documentation while I'm coding in the main screen or whatever, but certainly not for $750. $250, tops. It's a shame the technology hasn't reached economies of scale yet despite the Kindle, it has so much potential for signage and other mostly static applications.

dopidopHN 4y ago
Damn it, I can’t justify $750 when I have heaps on perfectly fine monitors. That would also be a very interesting post-apocalyptic computer monitor ( for the low consumption of it only, maybe it has drawback like being brittle, heavy, not durable ? )
- rollcat 4y ago
  I think in a post-apocalyptic world, you would be scraping the bottom of every bin to find any working electronic equipment at all. Check out http://collapseos.org/ http://collapseos.org/
  - dopidopHN 4y ago
    Ah nice. I remember seeing it a few month ( years ? ) back here. Neat. More seriously, I think in post apocalyptic world “computer skills” would be utter garbage. Ham radio maybe. Or being able to bring Wikipedia / encyclopedic knowledge of some specific subject like plant granfting technic, maps, and so on. But I envision “camping & fishing & gardening” as far far more important. Collapse OS is neat, but what would be a real use case? ( it’s a real question, I want to be convince otherwise )
    - rollcat 4y ago
      > Collapse OS is neat, but what would be a real use case? It's all explained in the FAQ / motivation document: http://collapseos.org/why.html http://collapseos.org/why.html > Q: Is computing worth saving? > Some people doubt that computers will stay relevant after a civilizational collapse. I mostly agree. The drastic simplification of our society will mean that we have a lot less information to manage. We'll be a lot more busy with more pressing activities than processing data. > However, the goal of Collapse OS is not to save computing, but electronics. Managing electricity will stay immensely useful. > Q: Aren't there more important things to do than an operating system? > Yes! Yes! Yes! A metric ton of projects are more important than Collapse OS with regards to civilizational collapse. This doesn't make Collapse OS useless. > [...] > However, when you look at it from a communal perspective, Collapse OS starts to make sense. Once a particular community already took care of its immediate survival and is looking at going from "surviving" to "thriving", if it has Collapse OS and someone who can make sense of it, then that community will have a great asset.
      - dopidopHN 4y ago
        Cool. Thanks. I swear I spend 15min looking around the website and various linked thread for this answer. Managing electricity. Ok. Hm. I’ve seen shoddy grid. And … yeah. They all use some type of contrôler. Ok. Anyway thanks for pointing out the obvious page I missed.
    - wkat4242 4y ago
      Ham radio for sure. The whole idea of ham radio is knowing how to make a radio out of nothing and experiment. In a collapse this would be extremely useful too.
bmsleight_ 4y ago
How about this project I put together ? https://hackaday.com/2021/01/08/old-kindle-shows-hdmi-video-eventually/ https://hackaday.com/2021/01/08/old-kindle-shows-hdmi-video-...
- dspillett 4y ago
  I keep looking at projects to turn old kindle units into extra screens or just using them as more generic devices, but I'd like something in the 10-to-14 inch range, preferably closer to the top end of that than the bottom. There are screens if that sort of size available, but there are issues there (expense of the screen itself, needing to make a case, the projects being pi based (those being silly expensive ATM) or requiring more electronics jiggery-pokery than I'd have time for (but would enjoy tinkering with & leaning if I could find the time!).
xwolfi 4y ago
I dunno if you have one, I have 2 A4-sized reader, a Sony and a Boox, and it's insane. I paid both around 700$ and I dont regret (the boox has backlight). You cant always whip enough factory workers in vietnam to transform resources mined in Myanmar for 250$, and sometimes you have to pay a bit more. I suppose most of the money goes to R&D to finally find a way to get high refresh rates, anyway. I think nobody's sleeping on high margin for these things, collecting massive mountain of cash to buy sport cars. It's a difficult concept to bring up, this doubly stable state display that require electricity only on change. It's really worth paying for it to evolve.
- vanderZwan 4y ago
  As much as I agree with the general sentiment that we don't pay enough attention to the amount of exploitation going on during the production of electronics, doesn't the high price of eInk displays have more to do with one company hoarding all the relevant patents and scaring off the competition?
  - throw_away1525 4y ago
    I've got a HiSense android phone with e-ink (the a5) which I had to order directly from China. It has great performance, I can watch YouTube videos on it. I mean it isn't a pleasant experience but I can. I wonder if it is using the forbidden algorithms? I should compare it to an e-ink reader that's sold in the US and presumably is following the relevant patent laws.
mythhouse 4y ago
I will drop $750 in a heartbeat if there is enough reviewed proof that eink can limit vision damage longterm. Its one of my main health concerns.
- huijzer 4y ago
  Isn’t vision damage mostly due to not looking in the distance enough?
  - vanderZwan 4y ago
    If you're thinking of focusing issues, IIRC there is evidence that not getting exposed to enough UV light (read: sun light) during years our eyes develops may play a big part in that. No idea if that would imply this is needed as an adult though. And that is assuming I don't misremember in the first place.
  - mythhouse 4y ago
    Yes focusing eyes close all day is the real culprit. But there is something about bright light of monitors that seems to impact my vision too, i am not quite sure what its callled though. I don't feel the same fatigue reading a book. Its just my personal experience.

by fmajid 4y ago

dopidopHN 4y ago

Damn it, I can’t justify $750 when I have heaps on perfectly fine monitors. That would also be a very interesting post-apocalyptic computer monitor ( for the low consumption of it only, maybe it has drawback like being brittle, heavy, not durable ? )

rollcat 4y ago
I think in a post-apocalyptic world, you would be scraping the bottom of every bin to find any working electronic equipment at all. Check out http://collapseos.org/ http://collapseos.org/
- dopidopHN 4y ago
  Ah nice. I remember seeing it a few month ( years ? ) back here. Neat. More seriously, I think in post apocalyptic world “computer skills” would be utter garbage. Ham radio maybe. Or being able to bring Wikipedia / encyclopedic knowledge of some specific subject like plant granfting technic, maps, and so on. But I envision “camping & fishing & gardening” as far far more important. Collapse OS is neat, but what would be a real use case? ( it’s a real question, I want to be convince otherwise )
  - rollcat 4y ago
    > Collapse OS is neat, but what would be a real use case? It's all explained in the FAQ / motivation document: http://collapseos.org/why.html http://collapseos.org/why.html > Q: Is computing worth saving? > Some people doubt that computers will stay relevant after a civilizational collapse. I mostly agree. The drastic simplification of our society will mean that we have a lot less information to manage. We'll be a lot more busy with more pressing activities than processing data. > However, the goal of Collapse OS is not to save computing, but electronics. Managing electricity will stay immensely useful. > Q: Aren't there more important things to do than an operating system? > Yes! Yes! Yes! A metric ton of projects are more important than Collapse OS with regards to civilizational collapse. This doesn't make Collapse OS useless. > [...] > However, when you look at it from a communal perspective, Collapse OS starts to make sense. Once a particular community already took care of its immediate survival and is looking at going from "surviving" to "thriving", if it has Collapse OS and someone who can make sense of it, then that community will have a great asset.
    - dopidopHN 4y ago
      Cool. Thanks. I swear I spend 15min looking around the website and various linked thread for this answer. Managing electricity. Ok. Hm. I’ve seen shoddy grid. And … yeah. They all use some type of contrôler. Ok. Anyway thanks for pointing out the obvious page I missed.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    Ham radio for sure. The whole idea of ham radio is knowing how to make a radio out of nothing and experiment. In a collapse this would be extremely useful too.

bmsleight_ 4y ago

How about this project I put together ? https://hackaday.com/2021/01/08/old-kindle-shows-hdmi-video-eventually/ https://hackaday.com/2021/01/08/old-kindle-shows-hdmi-video-...

dspillett 4y ago
I keep looking at projects to turn old kindle units into extra screens or just using them as more generic devices, but I'd like something in the 10-to-14 inch range, preferably closer to the top end of that than the bottom. There are screens if that sort of size available, but there are issues there (expense of the screen itself, needing to make a case, the projects being pi based (those being silly expensive ATM) or requiring more electronics jiggery-pokery than I'd have time for (but would enjoy tinkering with & leaning if I could find the time!).

xwolfi 4y ago

I dunno if you have one, I have 2 A4-sized reader, a Sony and a Boox, and it's insane. I paid both around 700$ and I dont regret (the boox has backlight). You cant always whip enough factory workers in vietnam to transform resources mined in Myanmar for 250$, and sometimes you have to pay a bit more. I suppose most of the money goes to R&D to finally find a way to get high refresh rates, anyway. I think nobody's sleeping on high margin for these things, collecting massive mountain of cash to buy sport cars. It's a difficult concept to bring up, this doubly stable state display that require electricity only on change. It's really worth paying for it to evolve.

vanderZwan 4y ago
As much as I agree with the general sentiment that we don't pay enough attention to the amount of exploitation going on during the production of electronics, doesn't the high price of eInk displays have more to do with one company hoarding all the relevant patents and scaring off the competition?
- throw_away1525 4y ago
  I've got a HiSense android phone with e-ink (the a5) which I had to order directly from China. It has great performance, I can watch YouTube videos on it. I mean it isn't a pleasant experience but I can. I wonder if it is using the forbidden algorithms? I should compare it to an e-ink reader that's sold in the US and presumably is following the relevant patent laws.

mythhouse 4y ago

I will drop $750 in a heartbeat if there is enough reviewed proof that eink can limit vision damage longterm. Its one of my main health concerns.

huijzer 4y ago
Isn’t vision damage mostly due to not looking in the distance enough?
- vanderZwan 4y ago
  If you're thinking of focusing issues, IIRC there is evidence that not getting exposed to enough UV light (read: sun light) during years our eyes develops may play a big part in that. No idea if that would imply this is needed as an adult though. And that is assuming I don't misremember in the first place.
- mythhouse 4y ago
  Yes focusing eyes close all day is the real culprit. But there is something about bright light of monitors that seems to impact my vision too, i am not quite sure what its callled though. I don't feel the same fatigue reading a book. Its just my personal experience.