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I'll continue to take whatever Musk says with a grain of sand. Thank you. For real though: He has proven time again that he lies on trivial matters. Regretta

I'll continue to take whatever Musk says with a grain of sand. Thank you. For real though: He has proven time again that he lies on trivial matters. Regrettably my trust in him telling the truth is at rock bottom now. It used to be at the same level as other marketing departments/generic politicians but dropped over time.

ben_w 4y ago
"Lies" implies deliberate rather than in error. This is much harder to demonstrate even when it is correct. In either case, still a good reason to take with a grain of salt, though one should do that for everyone anyway unless they're talking about their specialist subject.
- threatofrain 4y ago
  Elon didn't have a verbal oopsies when he said that an emergency worker was a pedophile during a deadly rescue event. He didn't have an accident when he doubled and then tripled-down on the claim, by further clarifying that that by pedo he meant sex with young Thai boys. Elon didn't accidentally hire an investigator to dig up dirt on the rescue worker. When Elon very recently reassured stockholders that he wouldn't sell, he didn't have an accident when he had two selloff events worth billions. It's no surprise that someone would lie for billions, but Elon will risk his reputation by lying just to destroy a rescue worker for offending him over social media. Lying is not merely some accidental or defensive maneuver that Elon employs when his back is against the wall; dishonesty is very much part of his tactical repertoire for public speech.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    And I began to think much worse of him starting with with that incident. I still try to cultivate an attitude of looking for the best in people despite this. However, the point is more: it's still bad even if it's the lesser of the two.
    - arlcode 4y ago
      I'm Not who you replied to. I'm willing to trust him more over time (as I would most other people) but he's got to earn it. E.g. Bill Gates managed to do that to a degree. Not that the (sometimes) richest person in the world cares, but he has squandered any up front good will in unforced lie after unforced lie over trivial matters. I've come to the conclusion that he's a particular self centered person (including his interest of the day) with a strong tendency toward pettiness and a severe lack of skill to shrug things of. Since he's still rich and I don't have to deal with him outside the internet we'll both be fine I think.

ben_w 4y ago

"Lies" implies deliberate rather than in error. This is much harder to demonstrate even when it is correct. In either case, still a good reason to take with a grain of salt, though one should do that for everyone anyway unless they're talking about their specialist subject.

threatofrain 4y ago
Elon didn't have a verbal oopsies when he said that an emergency worker was a pedophile during a deadly rescue event. He didn't have an accident when he doubled and then tripled-down on the claim, by further clarifying that that by pedo he meant sex with young Thai boys. Elon didn't accidentally hire an investigator to dig up dirt on the rescue worker. When Elon very recently reassured stockholders that he wouldn't sell, he didn't have an accident when he had two selloff events worth billions. It's no surprise that someone would lie for billions, but Elon will risk his reputation by lying just to destroy a rescue worker for offending him over social media. Lying is not merely some accidental or defensive maneuver that Elon employs when his back is against the wall; dishonesty is very much part of his tactical repertoire for public speech.
- ben_w 4y ago
  And I began to think much worse of him starting with with that incident. I still try to cultivate an attitude of looking for the best in people despite this. However, the point is more: it's still bad even if it's the lesser of the two.
  - arlcode 4y ago
    I'm Not who you replied to. I'm willing to trust him more over time (as I would most other people) but he's got to earn it. E.g. Bill Gates managed to do that to a degree. Not that the (sometimes) richest person in the world cares, but he has squandered any up front good will in unforced lie after unforced lie over trivial matters. I've come to the conclusion that he's a particular self centered person (including his interest of the day) with a strong tendency toward pettiness and a severe lack of skill to shrug things of. Since he's still rich and I don't have to deal with him outside the internet we'll both be fine I think.