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I feel obliged to mention doas[1], which is a sudo alternative from openBSD. It is written in c, but tries to be smaller and easier to configure. I am not quali

I feel obliged to mention doas[1], which is a sudo alternative from openBSD. It is written in c, but tries to be smaller and easier to configure. I am not qualified to vouch for or against it, but it is interesting. 1: https://man.openbsd.org/doas https://man.openbsd.org/doas

accrual 4y ago
I noticed and enjoy that both sudo and doas use each side of a standard qwerty keyboard to type, though doas uses 3 keys on the left while sudo has two on the left and two on the right. It made the transition a little easier for my muscle memory.
- epakai 4y ago
  On dvorak they're also mostly on the home row (except d), and the split is even 2-2 for both. (aoeu)id(htns)
  - scns 4y ago
    The neo2 layout has both in the home row.
- arp242 4y ago
  I mapped ^S in zsh to toggle "doas" at the start of the line: # Toggle "doas" at the start. toggle-doas() { [[ "${BUFFER:0:4}" = "doas" ]] && {CURSOR+=-5; BUFFER="${BUFFER:5}";} || {BUFFER="doas $BUFFER"; CURSOR+=5;} } zle -N toggle-doas toggle-doas && bindkey '^s' toggle-doas Even less typing!
mcarmichael 4y ago
The primary author, Ted Unangst, has a couple of blog posts describing the inception of doas, and its intended typical use patterns: https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas-mastery https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas-mastery
StreamBright 4y ago
I have moved over to doas a while back and it is really amazing. Why? Because it JUST WORKS. I do not need to learn a configuration language to understand what is going on. It does very little and that is exactly what 80% of the users need. We should use more software like that. Simplicity is the best design pattern.
- MobiusHorizons 4y ago
  When you find software that has a clean abstraction it really is a beautiful thing. sndiod (also from the BSDs) is also amazingly simple and reliable.
peatmoss 4y ago
My existence is split between OpenBSD and Linux. What I really want is OpenBSD than runs Steam and Proton—nothing more. OpenBSD has maintained exceptionally good taste when it comes to change. When they rip out and replace a "classic" utility, they invariably make a modern classic: openssh, pf, doas When others rip out a system and replace wholesale, they often just do the hard work to secure the existing thing: Wayland vs. Xenocara I don't know that there's any objective way to know ahead of time whether replacement or repair is the right approach. But the fact that such a relatively small project such as OpenBSD has managed such outsized positive impact across the open source landscape speaks volumes to their intuitions here.

accrual 4y ago

I noticed and enjoy that both sudo and doas use each side of a standard qwerty keyboard to type, though doas uses 3 keys on the left while sudo has two on the left and two on the right. It made the transition a little easier for my muscle memory.

epakai 4y ago
On dvorak they're also mostly on the home row (except d), and the split is even 2-2 for both. (aoeu)id(htns)
- scns 4y ago
  The neo2 layout has both in the home row.
arp242 4y ago
I mapped ^S in zsh to toggle "doas" at the start of the line: # Toggle "doas" at the start. toggle-doas() { [[ "${BUFFER:0:4}" = "doas" ]] && {CURSOR+=-5; BUFFER="${BUFFER:5}";} || {BUFFER="doas $BUFFER"; CURSOR+=5;} } zle -N toggle-doas toggle-doas && bindkey '^s' toggle-doas Even less typing!

mcarmichael 4y ago

The primary author, Ted Unangst, has a couple of blog posts describing the inception of doas, and its intended typical use patterns: https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas-mastery https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/doas-mastery

StreamBright 4y ago

I have moved over to doas a while back and it is really amazing. Why? Because it JUST WORKS. I do not need to learn a configuration language to understand what is going on. It does very little and that is exactly what 80% of the users need. We should use more software like that. Simplicity is the best design pattern.

MobiusHorizons 4y ago
When you find software that has a clean abstraction it really is a beautiful thing. sndiod (also from the BSDs) is also amazingly simple and reliable.

peatmoss 4y ago

My existence is split between OpenBSD and Linux. What I really want is OpenBSD than runs Steam and Proton—nothing more. OpenBSD has maintained exceptionally good taste when it comes to change. When they rip out and replace a "classic" utility, they invariably make a modern classic: openssh, pf, doas When others rip out a system and replace wholesale, they often just do the hard work to secure the existing thing: Wayland vs. Xenocara I don't know that there's any objective way to know ahead of time whether replacement or repair is the right approach. But the fact that such a relatively small project such as OpenBSD has managed such outsized positive impact across the open source landscape speaks volumes to their intuitions here.