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I don't agree with my friend, but she was incredibly outraged that I choose a tip of zero at a donut shop, this is how this came up. If you're being intellectua

by astura 4y ago

I don't agree with my friend, but she was incredibly outraged that I choose a tip of zero at a donut shop, this is how this came up. If you're being intellectually honest there's no logical justification for why a server "deserves" a tip and counter staff don't.* Half the time the server isn't even the one physically bringing you your food/drink - that's often done by a runner or a bus boy. Because the entire tipping culture is based upon shame if a non-insignificant amount of people feel that they are expected to tip whenever asked for a tip, it ends up being the the same as if there was an actual social obligation to tip. Then there can become one. *There actually is a social obligation to tip counter staff - only if you're ordering an alcoholic drink though.

autoexec 4y ago
Waitstaff put in more time bringing food (if they do that, but tips are pooled anyway), topping off drinks, handling odd requests, and then taking care of checkout. They also make $2 an hour while the person handing doughnuts gets at least minimum wage which seems like a good justification for hitting 0% at the bakery register. You're right about bartenders being the exception. That I tend to view more as an outright bribe for better drinks and faster service which is honestly not ideal either. I do think businesses are taking advantage of our guilt and conditioning to try to normalize tips where they never existed before. Hopefully your friend can be brought around to see that. The fewer people who accept it, the slower it will spread. I really hope "tip creep" pisses people off enough that we start to question the entire culture of tipping.
- astura 4y ago
  >They also make $2 an hour while the person handing doughnuts gets at least minimum wage which seems like a good justification for hitting 0% at the bakery register. False! In my locale waitstaff make the same (high) minimum wage as everyone else.

by astura 4y ago

autoexec 4y ago

Waitstaff put in more time bringing food (if they do that, but tips are pooled anyway), topping off drinks, handling odd requests, and then taking care of checkout. They also make $2 an hour while the person handing doughnuts gets at least minimum wage which seems like a good justification for hitting 0% at the bakery register. You're right about bartenders being the exception. That I tend to view more as an outright bribe for better drinks and faster service which is honestly not ideal either. I do think businesses are taking advantage of our guilt and conditioning to try to normalize tips where they never existed before. Hopefully your friend can be brought around to see that. The fewer people who accept it, the slower it will spread. I really hope "tip creep" pisses people off enough that we start to question the entire culture of tipping.

astura 4y ago
>They also make $2 an hour while the person handing doughnuts gets at least minimum wage which seems like a good justification for hitting 0% at the bakery register. False! In my locale waitstaff make the same (high) minimum wage as everyone else.