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These things are being made illegal using the DMCA. So if you go public with this you are risking imprisonment. Thats always the end state of the bureaucracy.

walterbell 4y ago
> These things are being made illegal Please provide examples of "these things" that you consider within the scope of the U.S. DMCA, which is limited to copyright protection. It's not illegal to purchase a device and modify it, nor to pay a repair shop to modify your device. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine https://apnews.com/article/305f5bcbef3e4ec688df3a5dd3ceba12 https://apnews.com/article/305f5bcbef3e4ec688df3a5dd3ceba12 > For many car owners, their vehicle is an extension of their personality — and as such they customize it to reflect their individuality and uniqueness. That’s particularly true for young car enthusiasts ages 16 to 24, who spend $7.2 billion each year customizing their vehicles, according to a recent study by the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA). “More than 7.9 million young people customize, modify or upgrade their vehicles each year,” says SEMA Director-Market Research Gavin Knapp. “Their vehicles not only help them get from A to B, they are also an integral part of their social lives.
- vlovich123 4y ago
  OP is correct. Welcome to the strange law of digital. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jailbreaking-tablets-illegal_n_2024754 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jailbreaking-tablets-illegal_...
  - walterbell 4y ago
    > Go ahead, jailbreak your cellphone. But just know that tablet computer of yours is off limits. The device market of largest economic and social interest to users and the repair industry is smartphones. This market has sold 5+ billion devices which are used daily in the rough and tumble real world, not stationary on a desk or couch. Constant mobile usage = high risk of accidents and need for repair. Some aftermarket mods do not require jailbreaking, e.g. removal of microphones for security.
    - nebula8804 4y ago
      I was referring to things such as Section 1201 of the DMCA [1]:https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explained/the-digital-millennium-copyright-act-dmca/section-1201-technology-protection/ https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explai... You are cherry picking something that itself is a hole that is being closed by the vendors (ie. Apple is now signing iPhone/iPad components so that if you replace them the device either puts a warning sign on the screen or refuses to operate.) Given the direction we are heading in, I can see the iPhone refusing to operate without a valid microphone connection. Then your only choice is to hack the software layer putting you back into the crosshairs of the DMCA.
franga2000 4y ago
Just do the mods in a country that isn't insane and import the modified devices. There already is a small market for unique modified phones [0], but those are still quite basic as far as hardware mods go. Imagine if they started doing real mods like adding a headphone jack, brighter flash, USB C... [0] https://caviar.global/ https://caviar.global/
- walterbell 4y ago
  Headphone jack mod = instant win for those with wired headphones.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  Doing this at scale you risk your devices being impounded at the border. This has happened to Louis Rossmann before with replacement Mac components. If you are operating at low volume it is hard to make it financially feasible and you still have a nonzero risk of impoundment(even if it is less likely).

walterbell 4y ago

> These things are being made illegal Please provide examples of "these things" that you consider within the scope of the U.S. DMCA, which is limited to copyright protection. It's not illegal to purchase a device and modify it, nor to pay a repair shop to modify your device. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine https://apnews.com/article/305f5bcbef3e4ec688df3a5dd3ceba12 https://apnews.com/article/305f5bcbef3e4ec688df3a5dd3ceba12 > For many car owners, their vehicle is an extension of their personality — and as such they customize it to reflect their individuality and uniqueness. That’s particularly true for young car enthusiasts ages 16 to 24, who spend $7.2 billion each year customizing their vehicles, according to a recent study by the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA). “More than 7.9 million young people customize, modify or upgrade their vehicles each year,” says SEMA Director-Market Research Gavin Knapp. “Their vehicles not only help them get from A to B, they are also an integral part of their social lives.

vlovich123 4y ago
OP is correct. Welcome to the strange law of digital. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jailbreaking-tablets-illegal_n_2024754 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jailbreaking-tablets-illegal_...
- walterbell 4y ago
  > Go ahead, jailbreak your cellphone. But just know that tablet computer of yours is off limits. The device market of largest economic and social interest to users and the repair industry is smartphones. This market has sold 5+ billion devices which are used daily in the rough and tumble real world, not stationary on a desk or couch. Constant mobile usage = high risk of accidents and need for repair. Some aftermarket mods do not require jailbreaking, e.g. removal of microphones for security.
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    I was referring to things such as Section 1201 of the DMCA [1]:https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explained/the-digital-millennium-copyright-act-dmca/section-1201-technology-protection/ https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explai... You are cherry picking something that itself is a hole that is being closed by the vendors (ie. Apple is now signing iPhone/iPad components so that if you replace them the device either puts a warning sign on the screen or refuses to operate.) Given the direction we are heading in, I can see the iPhone refusing to operate without a valid microphone connection. Then your only choice is to hack the software layer putting you back into the crosshairs of the DMCA.

franga2000 4y ago

Just do the mods in a country that isn't insane and import the modified devices. There already is a small market for unique modified phones [0], but those are still quite basic as far as hardware mods go. Imagine if they started doing real mods like adding a headphone jack, brighter flash, USB C... [0] https://caviar.global/ https://caviar.global/

walterbell 4y ago
Headphone jack mod = instant win for those with wired headphones.
nebula8804 4y ago
Doing this at scale you risk your devices being impounded at the border. This has happened to Louis Rossmann before with replacement Mac components. If you are operating at low volume it is hard to make it financially feasible and you still have a nonzero risk of impoundment(even if it is less likely).