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Ok, a little drunk so I will tell you how I really feel. You people care so much about light pollution, the environment and the future of humanity so much. Oh

by _8j50 4y ago

Ok, a little drunk so I will tell you how I really feel. You people care so much about light pollution, the environment and the future of humanity so much. Oh how grand and amazing of a person you must be. Have you considered that many if not most humans endure enough suffering to not give a shit about humanity being destroyed you along with it? You care so much about the planet but the planet will be fine, it is humanity that is screwed. So why should individuals that live their entire lives in suffering because of the very conditions humanity as a collective has encouraged and enacted give a shit about humanity? You all know what is right like everyone else and you made your choice on what to be concerned about. So enjoy the fruits of your labour like everyone else!

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christophilus 4y ago
I just want to sit in my back yard and not have laser-like LED streetlights burning my retinas at night. And yet, two of my neighbors have those set up in their backyards, so…
- _8j50 4y ago
  Must be nice to have a backyard to begin with. Your worries and concerns are valid just don't expect others to care about what happens in your backyard especially when they don't have one for themselves.
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falcrist 4y ago
> why should individuals that live their entire lives in suffering because of the very conditions humanity as a collective has encouraged and enacted give a shit about humanity? Because if they don't, they're descendents will suffer even more. I mean, really what you're asking is "why should people care about others?", which feels like a whole branch of philosophy.
- harvey9 4y ago
  Which is why we see so many people choosing to have no descendents.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    Exactly this! What descendants? The disconnect is real. With or without nature life is already unlivable for many.
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8bitsrule 4y ago
I hear you. Like many others I have seen what's wrong, seen the carelessness, the brutality. I'll skip the details. I've also seen what's right ... caring ... growing more obvious. Seen any horses or dogs or slaves whipped in the streets lately? Six-year-olds working 12-hour days? Many have been misled and deceived and densensitized and cheated and de-liberated. Yet they will still help each other, and even complete strangers, with nothing visible to gain. Giving a shit makes a difference. That's how I really feel.
dahart 4y ago
Whoo that got dark fast. We take it back, a little light here is okay. ;) There is some suffering in the world right now. And it’s bad in places, there is no question. I don’t know exactly what suffering you’re thinking of or referring to, but if it were true that most people didn’t care at all about humanity being destroyed, then most people wouldn’t even be alive. The thing about humans is that we’re hard-wired to want to live, and because of that we have hope even when suffering is high. One thing to perhaps consider is that those of us lucky enough to not live in suffering have the opportunity to help others and to reduce suffering. It is going to take some people caring about humanity, and caring about the planet, in order to improve on the very situation you’re talking about. Parent was pretty clear we’re talking about a symptom of a larger problem, and I guess if we were all face to face philosophizing over beers, you might even agree they were talking in large part about the same problem you’re talking about - us not taking care of each other. If nobody cared about this, then how is it going to get any better?? What can you and I do to make it better?
- _8j50 4y ago
  You missed my point. I personally don't care about what you care or don't care about. Do what you want. I'm just gonna care about shit that matters to me and most people are this way as well. It's a luxury to worry about even how our owen lives and wellbeing will be a decade from now and you expect people to care about the planet in 2050 lol. Ideals are cute but get real if you want real change.
  - dahart 4y ago
    You’re right, I did miss your point. How can you expect any change if nobody has ideals? You’re effectively arguing to keep the status quo by trying to make fun of people who care. You didn’t answer the important question: what can you and I do to make it better? If the goals in this thread aren’t valid in your opinion, then please offer some goals that are worthwhile. What, exactly, do you mean by “get real if you want real change”? What is “real change”, and who’s going to make it? BTW, are you saying you don’t believe that deforestation, rising temperatures, and extreme weather caused by climate change is having any effect on human suffering? You seem to be making some unstated assumptions when you suggest that caring about the planet isn’t “real”. You also seem to assume that we can’t work on more than one problem at a time. To me it seems like there are enough people that we might have the ability to address environmental issues in parallel with social, financial, and political issues. Does everyone need to care about the planet? Maybe not. So what’s wrong with some people working to reduce global warming while others work to, say, end the war in Ukraine, or reduce poverty in China, or end death by hunger or Malaria in Africa?

by _8j50 4y ago

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christophilus 4y ago

I just want to sit in my back yard and not have laser-like LED streetlights burning my retinas at night. And yet, two of my neighbors have those set up in their backyards, so…

_8j50 4y ago
Must be nice to have a backyard to begin with. Your worries and concerns are valid just don't expect others to care about what happens in your backyard especially when they don't have one for themselves.

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falcrist 4y ago

> why should individuals that live their entire lives in suffering because of the very conditions humanity as a collective has encouraged and enacted give a shit about humanity? Because if they don't, they're descendents will suffer even more. I mean, really what you're asking is "why should people care about others?", which feels like a whole branch of philosophy.

harvey9 4y ago
Which is why we see so many people choosing to have no descendents.
- _8j50 4y ago
  Exactly this! What descendants? The disconnect is real. With or without nature life is already unlivable for many.

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8bitsrule 4y ago

I hear you. Like many others I have seen what's wrong, seen the carelessness, the brutality. I'll skip the details. I've also seen what's right ... caring ... growing more obvious. Seen any horses or dogs or slaves whipped in the streets lately? Six-year-olds working 12-hour days? Many have been misled and deceived and densensitized and cheated and de-liberated. Yet they will still help each other, and even complete strangers, with nothing visible to gain. Giving a shit makes a difference. That's how I really feel.

dahart 4y ago

Whoo that got dark fast. We take it back, a little light here is okay. ;) There is some suffering in the world right now. And it’s bad in places, there is no question. I don’t know exactly what suffering you’re thinking of or referring to, but if it were true that most people didn’t care at all about humanity being destroyed, then most people wouldn’t even be alive. The thing about humans is that we’re hard-wired to want to live, and because of that we have hope even when suffering is high. One thing to perhaps consider is that those of us lucky enough to not live in suffering have the opportunity to help others and to reduce suffering. It is going to take some people caring about humanity, and caring about the planet, in order to improve on the very situation you’re talking about. Parent was pretty clear we’re talking about a symptom of a larger problem, and I guess if we were all face to face philosophizing over beers, you might even agree they were talking in large part about the same problem you’re talking about - us not taking care of each other. If nobody cared about this, then how is it going to get any better?? What can you and I do to make it better?

_8j50 4y ago
You missed my point. I personally don't care about what you care or don't care about. Do what you want. I'm just gonna care about shit that matters to me and most people are this way as well. It's a luxury to worry about even how our owen lives and wellbeing will be a decade from now and you expect people to care about the planet in 2050 lol. Ideals are cute but get real if you want real change.
- dahart 4y ago
  You’re right, I did miss your point. How can you expect any change if nobody has ideals? You’re effectively arguing to keep the status quo by trying to make fun of people who care. You didn’t answer the important question: what can you and I do to make it better? If the goals in this thread aren’t valid in your opinion, then please offer some goals that are worthwhile. What, exactly, do you mean by “get real if you want real change”? What is “real change”, and who’s going to make it? BTW, are you saying you don’t believe that deforestation, rising temperatures, and extreme weather caused by climate change is having any effect on human suffering? You seem to be making some unstated assumptions when you suggest that caring about the planet isn’t “real”. You also seem to assume that we can’t work on more than one problem at a time. To me it seems like there are enough people that we might have the ability to address environmental issues in parallel with social, financial, and political issues. Does everyone need to care about the planet? Maybe not. So what’s wrong with some people working to reduce global warming while others work to, say, end the war in Ukraine, or reduce poverty in China, or end death by hunger or Malaria in Africa?