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You should be linking to evidence that prices will rise uncontrollably if you want to support your argument that battery production won't keep increasing. I wi

You should be linking to evidence that prices will rise uncontrollably if you want to support your argument that battery production won't keep increasing. I will remind you that this is your absurd argument: > By comparison, the entire world only produces ~400 GWh of batteries each year. So it'd only take a decade and a half of global battery production to satisfy the storage demands of just the USA. The rest of the world would be left with zero EV or electronics production for a decade and a half and no grid storage to show for it. > Thanks for the site: it's a good tool to demonstrate just how unfeasible energy storage really is. Which is totally different from "battery prices might increase a little", which I have repeatedly indicated is not a problem, and I even pointed out that it is a possibility a long time upthread from here.

Manuel_D 4y ago
Again we're talking about 6,000 GWh of grid storage for just one country. And that's also competing with batteries for EVs, and batteries for electronics. That site estimate's for storage necessity are also pretty optimistic. Most estimates for a completely decarbonized grid - not using peaker gas plants - call for weeks of storage not days: https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2018/03/01/12-hours-energy-storage-80-percent-wind-solar/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2018/03/01/12-hours-energy-stora...
- coder543 4y ago
  And again, battery production is scaling like crazy. That is an undeniable fact for now. You're the one speculating that it will suddenly stop, and you have presented flimsy evidence at best. Your entire argument falls apart if batteries continue scaling at a reasonable price.
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    > Your entire argument falls apart if batteries continue scaling at a reasonable price. If
    - coder543 4y ago
      The only logical choice is to assume that the battery industry will keep doing what it has been doing, unless you present some strong evidence to the contrary, which you have repeatedly failed to do, as has been pointed out by myself and others. The commodities are behaving as expected, which is to say that they're rising in the face of new demand, since supply hasn't had time to catch up. You're proposing that the sky is falling, but it looks just fine to the rest of us.

Manuel_D 4y ago

Again we're talking about 6,000 GWh of grid storage for just one country. And that's also competing with batteries for EVs, and batteries for electronics. That site estimate's for storage necessity are also pretty optimistic. Most estimates for a completely decarbonized grid - not using peaker gas plants - call for weeks of storage not days: https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2018/03/01/12-hours-energy-storage-80-percent-wind-solar/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2018/03/01/12-hours-energy-stora...

coder543 4y ago
And again, battery production is scaling like crazy. That is an undeniable fact for now. You're the one speculating that it will suddenly stop, and you have presented flimsy evidence at best. Your entire argument falls apart if batteries continue scaling at a reasonable price.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  > Your entire argument falls apart if batteries continue scaling at a reasonable price. If
  - coder543 4y ago
    The only logical choice is to assume that the battery industry will keep doing what it has been doing, unless you present some strong evidence to the contrary, which you have repeatedly failed to do, as has been pointed out by myself and others. The commodities are behaving as expected, which is to say that they're rising in the face of new demand, since supply hasn't had time to catch up. You're proposing that the sky is falling, but it looks just fine to the rest of us.