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This seems like a self imposed limit rather than something fundamental. I am not sure why people get so hung up on the stdlib's stability guarantees. We could

This seems like a self imposed limit rather than something fundamental. I am not sure why people get so hung up on the stdlib's stability guarantees. We could have a second unstable "nonstandard" library for example, and eliminate this "issue" completely. Even a crate "distro" like the other user said would be nice. Something to allow us to establish some level of trust over what we are using. Right now we have people mindlessly adding 100s of crates with no concern about the supply chain.

steveklabnik 4y ago
I’m the space Rust is in, people care about stability to the extreme. So some of it is self imposed, sure, but that self imposition is an understanding of what constraints the intended audience has. Heck you can see it in this very thread with a complaint about too many new things even though they’re compatible!
- chlorion 4y ago
  I am not sure that something like a crate distro would actually cause a decrease in stability overall, at the end of the day people are still going to be using the same crates and those crates will be as stable as before, but it will be easier to figure out which ones are trustworthy for a person who isn't super deep into the rust ecosystem and whatnot! I am thinking of nom for example, lots of people are already using nom and are comfortable with it's current level of stability, so if it was part of a crate distro people would just determine if nom was stable enough for them and use it, otherwise find something else. I do appreciate that the real standard library and core language are stable though just to be clear. I also appreciate that the stdlib tries to stay somewhat lean rather than shoving the whole world in it. I am just a random hobby rust user so it's very possible I am talking a bunch of nonsense! Also thanks for replying, it's always cool to see you active in these threads :)

steveklabnik 4y ago

I’m the space Rust is in, people care about stability to the extreme. So some of it is self imposed, sure, but that self imposition is an understanding of what constraints the intended audience has. Heck you can see it in this very thread with a complaint about too many new things even though they’re compatible!

chlorion 4y ago
I am not sure that something like a crate distro would actually cause a decrease in stability overall, at the end of the day people are still going to be using the same crates and those crates will be as stable as before, but it will be easier to figure out which ones are trustworthy for a person who isn't super deep into the rust ecosystem and whatnot! I am thinking of nom for example, lots of people are already using nom and are comfortable with it's current level of stability, so if it was part of a crate distro people would just determine if nom was stable enough for them and use it, otherwise find something else. I do appreciate that the real standard library and core language are stable though just to be clear. I also appreciate that the stdlib tries to stay somewhat lean rather than shoving the whole world in it. I am just a random hobby rust user so it's very possible I am talking a bunch of nonsense! Also thanks for replying, it's always cool to see you active in these threads :)