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Servers like it because it gives them more money, but so would paying them properly. Business owners like it because they save money on not paying their employe

Servers like it because it gives them more money, but so would paying them properly. Business owners like it because they save money on not paying their employees good wages. Customers do not like it because it's, essentially, a hidden fee. If I had bad service, I should not be obligated to tip. But society has decided that I owe a 15-25% service fee to my waiter even if the service sucked.

alexb_ 4y ago
>If I had bad service, I should not be obligated to tip. But society has decided that I owe a 15-25% service fee to my waiter even if the service sucked. Says who? Just don't tip if you hate the service. That's what I do.
- theonemind 4y ago
  I left a quarter once for service that deserved it. The waitress threw it at me. Culturally, the tip is part of the price. They just can’t call the police for a dine-and-dash because it legally isn’t. So I don’t think just not tipping is a realistic option. So it’s what you owe in all but law. Which is not me defending tipping. I find the thing ridiculous and distasteful enough that I probably just won’t eat where tips are at that level of expectation more often than not. It’s not such a necessity that if I don’t have line-item veto that I won’t veto the whole thing.
jzb 4y ago
"If I had bad service, I should not be obligated to tip. But society has decided that I owe a 15-25% service fee to my waiter even if the service sucked." I wish folks with this attitude got docked some of their pay when their co-workers or boss decide they weren't happy with their work. I just consider tipping the surcharge for not having to do service / restaurant work myself any longer. Been there, done that, don't want to do it again.
- colejohnson66 4y ago
  > I wish folks with this attitude got docked some of their pay when their co-workers or boss decide they weren't happy with their work. That's unnecessarily hostile. I worked customer service up to a year ago, and I never felt obligated to tips. I did my job and got my money. Every once in a while, a customer would tip me for good service, but it was never required. Tips were on top of my wages, not part of them. > I just consider tipping the surcharge for not having to do service / restaurant work myself any longer. Been there, done that, don't want to do it again. Then what am I paying for? If $6 is a more appropriate price (for the item) to cover wages than $5 is, then the business should charge $6, not $5 plus a "hidden" fee.
  - jzb 4y ago
    “That's unnecessarily hostile.” Ha! It’s hostile if it’s coming out of your pocket. It’s okay if it’s someone else’s. Got it.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  The equivalent of not getting a tip is not getting a bonus. It isn't having your base pay docked.
  - jzb 4y ago
    Service jobs tips are part of base pay. Especially wait staff that make below minimum wage.

alexb_ 4y ago

>If I had bad service, I should not be obligated to tip. But society has decided that I owe a 15-25% service fee to my waiter even if the service sucked. Says who? Just don't tip if you hate the service. That's what I do.

theonemind 4y ago
I left a quarter once for service that deserved it. The waitress threw it at me. Culturally, the tip is part of the price. They just can’t call the police for a dine-and-dash because it legally isn’t. So I don’t think just not tipping is a realistic option. So it’s what you owe in all but law. Which is not me defending tipping. I find the thing ridiculous and distasteful enough that I probably just won’t eat where tips are at that level of expectation more often than not. It’s not such a necessity that if I don’t have line-item veto that I won’t veto the whole thing.

jzb 4y ago

"If I had bad service, I should not be obligated to tip. But society has decided that I owe a 15-25% service fee to my waiter even if the service sucked." I wish folks with this attitude got docked some of their pay when their co-workers or boss decide they weren't happy with their work. I just consider tipping the surcharge for not having to do service / restaurant work myself any longer. Been there, done that, don't want to do it again.

colejohnson66 4y ago
> I wish folks with this attitude got docked some of their pay when their co-workers or boss decide they weren't happy with their work. That's unnecessarily hostile. I worked customer service up to a year ago, and I never felt obligated to tips. I did my job and got my money. Every once in a while, a customer would tip me for good service, but it was never required. Tips were on top of my wages, not part of them. > I just consider tipping the surcharge for not having to do service / restaurant work myself any longer. Been there, done that, don't want to do it again. Then what am I paying for? If $6 is a more appropriate price (for the item) to cover wages than $5 is, then the business should charge $6, not $5 plus a "hidden" fee.
- jzb 4y ago
  “That's unnecessarily hostile.” Ha! It’s hostile if it’s coming out of your pocket. It’s okay if it’s someone else’s. Got it.
josephcsible 4y ago
The equivalent of not getting a tip is not getting a bonus. It isn't having your base pay docked.
- jzb 4y ago
  Service jobs tips are part of base pay. Especially wait staff that make below minimum wage.