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> filled with ads and irrelevant clutter. I always assumed the third party clients just provided a better interface. I didn't realize they circumvented the inc

by nomel 4y ago

> filled with ads and irrelevant clutter. I always assumed the third party clients just provided a better interface. I didn't realize they circumvented the income stream. If the third party clients were removing the means of monetization, for a company who struggles to profit, then it seems obvious that requiring paid access on its way, regardless of the owner. Twitter can't go forever at a loss. The "surprise" is surprising.

notwhereyouare 4y ago
I think it's more that the API didn't return the ads to the client. If they required 3rd party clients to include the ad's in the feed and grounds for termination of the API key if they weren't that would be a different story
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  What service does this? There are very strict rules in showing ads. Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. I can't think of a single service that provides ads for 3rd party clients to use. Most are hostile to 3rd party clients due to threatened ad revenue, that's why there's invidious, nitter, etc. whackamole.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    > Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. Which you can control by just returning the ads as part of the API response for the feed, which I'm sure how the official client does it. Making the client classify NSFW content and hide ads based on that seems like a stupid idea.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      Certainly, but the second you get a rouge actor, your advertisers are going to be pissed. At the very best the rouge app won't display ads. At the worse, they'll ignore a nsfw tag and won't show the spoiler overlay, angering your advertiser. Audits can catch it, but only after the damage is done. I don't think there's any service that lets their ad supported plan be in the hands of a 3rd party client.
  - robryan 4y ago
    Enforce it on clients over a certain number of users where they are big enough to manage following a bunch of rules around the ads. Then they can be audited to make sure they get doing it correctly.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      Yeah it can be done with X amount of risk and auditing ($)... I was mainly asking has it been done by any service? Risking your advertisers is not wise and audits will be expensive and reactive not proactive.
croes 4y ago
Without the debt Musk put on Twitter they could at least go longer
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Twitter can’t go forever at a loss. But for nonrecurring expenses, Twitter was profitable before Musk’s buyout both torpedoed ad revenue (when it was announced, before it was even completed) and saddled it with massive expenses to finance the buyout. The acquisition is literally the only reason it is any concern how long Twitter can operate at a loss.
- nomel 4y ago
  > Twitter was profitable before Musk’s buyout My mistake. Last I looked was 2020, when they were down about $1B.

by nomel 4y ago

notwhereyouare 4y ago

I think it's more that the API didn't return the ads to the client. If they required 3rd party clients to include the ad's in the feed and grounds for termination of the API key if they weren't that would be a different story

MrOwnPut 4y ago
What service does this? There are very strict rules in showing ads. Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. I can't think of a single service that provides ads for 3rd party clients to use. Most are hostile to 3rd party clients due to threatened ad revenue, that's why there's invidious, nitter, etc. whackamole.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  > Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. Which you can control by just returning the ads as part of the API response for the feed, which I'm sure how the official client does it. Making the client classify NSFW content and hide ads based on that seems like a stupid idea.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    Certainly, but the second you get a rouge actor, your advertisers are going to be pissed. At the very best the rouge app won't display ads. At the worse, they'll ignore a nsfw tag and won't show the spoiler overlay, angering your advertiser. Audits can catch it, but only after the damage is done. I don't think there's any service that lets their ad supported plan be in the hands of a 3rd party client.
- robryan 4y ago
  Enforce it on clients over a certain number of users where they are big enough to manage following a bunch of rules around the ads. Then they can be audited to make sure they get doing it correctly.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    Yeah it can be done with X amount of risk and auditing ($)... I was mainly asking has it been done by any service? Risking your advertisers is not wise and audits will be expensive and reactive not proactive.

croes 4y ago

Without the debt Musk put on Twitter they could at least go longer

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Twitter can’t go forever at a loss. But for nonrecurring expenses, Twitter was profitable before Musk’s buyout both torpedoed ad revenue (when it was announced, before it was even completed) and saddled it with massive expenses to finance the buyout. The acquisition is literally the only reason it is any concern how long Twitter can operate at a loss.

nomel 4y ago
> Twitter was profitable before Musk’s buyout My mistake. Last I looked was 2020, when they were down about $1B.