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Why are the people saying this not donating half of their 200k salaries? Is the only way to re-distribute your personal wealth by being compelled by market cond

Why are the people saying this not donating half of their 200k salaries? Is the only way to re-distribute your personal wealth by being compelled by market conditions or by the state?

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teawrecks 4y ago
Because they don't want to selflessly give away $100k for nothing. Rather they selfishly want to live in a healthier society. You're proposing they trade something for nothing, and that's misguided in the best case, or disingenuous in the worst.
- lordfrito 4y ago
  I think the point being made is that it's trivially easy to make armchair moral/ethical arguments about spending money in other peoples wallets. And that the arguments would be taken more seriously if the person arguing has actually demonstrated that they have skin in the game, staked their own wallet. Isn't that what the complaints about NIMBYism are all about? Yeah, I'm all for having other people solving the problems of the poor workers. I don't have to do anything until they do. While we're at it, lets have the software developers clothe and house them as well. They can clearly afford it. It's only fair. Am I a good person now? Talk is cheap. Do something first before complaining about what others aren't doing.
  - whoknew1122 4y ago
    It's a silly argument. Me donating half my salary, today, doesn't make any sense because it won't materially impact anything. If there were a stronger social safety net and everyone had to pay a bit more in tax, then that would actually impact something.
    - refurb 4y ago
      Won’t materially impact anything? Go and give $20k each to 5 people making minimum wage. That would have a huge impact.
      - ricardobeat 4y ago
        I bet a dollar if he went and did that, you'd turn around and call it virtue-signaling. You're just looking for an excuse to invalidate their beliefs, so you can excuse yours. Not a healthy debate.
        refurb 4y ago
        That wouldn’t be virtual signaling in the least. Virtual signaling is putting no effort behind your words. Redistributing your own income is putting your money (literally) where your mouth is.
  - teawrecks 4y ago
    Again, the goal is not selflessness, it's selfishness. The selfish want to form a more perfect union. No one is saying they want to give away half their salary for nothing, no one is expecting anyone else to do so either. It's effectively a bunch of people who want a crowd funding campaign for a product to exist, and everyone else saying "if you want to throw your money away, here's a trash can". That's entirely missing the point and completely unhelpful. The goal is to make a collective investment and get something in return. If we're being real, this group, myself included, is only one step removed from a NIMBY, but it is what it is. If you want to suggest I abandon the little leverage I have to put towards creating a better society for myself and the people around me, I would say: you first. Oh, not interested? Welcome to the club. Now let's work together to make this place we live better.

Why are the people saying this not donating half of their 200k salaries? Is the only way to re-distribute your personal wealth by being compelled by market conditions or by the state?

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teawrecks 4y ago

Because they don't want to selflessly give away $100k for nothing. Rather they selfishly want to live in a healthier society. You're proposing they trade something for nothing, and that's misguided in the best case, or disingenuous in the worst.

lordfrito 4y ago
I think the point being made is that it's trivially easy to make armchair moral/ethical arguments about spending money in other peoples wallets. And that the arguments would be taken more seriously if the person arguing has actually demonstrated that they have skin in the game, staked their own wallet. Isn't that what the complaints about NIMBYism are all about? Yeah, I'm all for having other people solving the problems of the poor workers. I don't have to do anything until they do. While we're at it, lets have the software developers clothe and house them as well. They can clearly afford it. It's only fair. Am I a good person now? Talk is cheap. Do something first before complaining about what others aren't doing.
- whoknew1122 4y ago
  It's a silly argument. Me donating half my salary, today, doesn't make any sense because it won't materially impact anything. If there were a stronger social safety net and everyone had to pay a bit more in tax, then that would actually impact something.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Won’t materially impact anything? Go and give $20k each to 5 people making minimum wage. That would have a huge impact.
    - ricardobeat 4y ago
      I bet a dollar if he went and did that, you'd turn around and call it virtue-signaling. You're just looking for an excuse to invalidate their beliefs, so you can excuse yours. Not a healthy debate.
      - refurb 4y ago
        That wouldn’t be virtual signaling in the least. Virtual signaling is putting no effort behind your words. Redistributing your own income is putting your money (literally) where your mouth is.
- teawrecks 4y ago
  Again, the goal is not selflessness, it's selfishness. The selfish want to form a more perfect union. No one is saying they want to give away half their salary for nothing, no one is expecting anyone else to do so either. It's effectively a bunch of people who want a crowd funding campaign for a product to exist, and everyone else saying "if you want to throw your money away, here's a trash can". That's entirely missing the point and completely unhelpful. The goal is to make a collective investment and get something in return. If we're being real, this group, myself included, is only one step removed from a NIMBY, but it is what it is. If you want to suggest I abandon the little leverage I have to put towards creating a better society for myself and the people around me, I would say: you first. Oh, not interested? Welcome to the club. Now let's work together to make this place we live better.