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Won't this hurt Elon in the long run? I was never able to stand the official Twitter app it's filled with ads and irrelevant clutter. I think since moving to An

by haidev 4y ago

Won't this hurt Elon in the long run? I was never able to stand the official Twitter app it's filled with ads and irrelevant clutter. I think since moving to Android Tweetbot is one of the few apps I miss from having on my phone. I was still enjoying the Mac version. I guess I will stick to Nitter [0] from now on. [0] - https://nitter.net/ https://nitter.net/

app4soft 4y ago
There is also Nitter for Android (WebView-app), but source repo not available for a month already.[0,1] [0] https://gitlab.com/Plexer0/Nitter-Android https://gitlab.com/Plexer0/Nitter-Android [1] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.plexer0.nitter/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.plexer0.nitter/
charcircuit 4y ago
Most people don't use third party clients, so no it won't.
seydor 4y ago
By "app" do you mean the twitter website (because that's all i ve used). Why would one need an App to read a list that s basically full of browser links?
- wvenable 4y ago
  Because the experience is better. That's the only reason anyone needs. Whether or not it's an App is immaterial.
gfodor 4y ago
It depends. Probably imo, but this speeds up product development significantly and frees up a ton of resources in exchange for alienating a lot of users and the network effects of an API. Who knows if this kind of analysis was considered, but it’s not obviously a bad move until we see if Twitter starts doing faster product revs that pan out into growth.
fencepost 4y ago
Won't this hurt Elon in the long run? Maybe, but compared to the rest of the damage he's done to his brand this is a relatively tiny droplet. This may drive away power users (or drive them to a Twitter-owned option?), but many of them are probably already looking at how much priority they should keep on Twitter. Twitter client issues for many may be a second place to Twitter content issues as a driving factor.
nomel 4y ago
> filled with ads and irrelevant clutter. I always assumed the third party clients just provided a better interface. I didn't realize they circumvented the income stream. If the third party clients were removing the means of monetization, for a company who struggles to profit, then it seems obvious that requiring paid access on its way, regardless of the owner. Twitter can't go forever at a loss. The "surprise" is surprising.
- notwhereyouare 4y ago
  I think it's more that the API didn't return the ads to the client. If they required 3rd party clients to include the ad's in the feed and grounds for termination of the API key if they weren't that would be a different story
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    What service does this? There are very strict rules in showing ads. Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. I can't think of a single service that provides ads for 3rd party clients to use. Most are hostile to 3rd party clients due to threatened ad revenue, that's why there's invidious, nitter, etc. whackamole.
    - Nextgrid 4y ago
      > Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. Which you can control by just returning the ads as part of the API response for the feed, which I'm sure how the official client does it. Making the client classify NSFW content and hide ads based on that seems like a stupid idea.
      - MrOwnPut 4y ago
        Certainly, but the second you get a rouge actor, your advertisers are going to be pissed. At the very best the rouge app won't display ads. At the worse, they'll ignore a nsfw tag and won't show the spoiler overlay, angering your advertiser. Audits can catch it, but only after the damage is done. I don't think there's any service that lets their ad supported plan be in the hands of a 3rd party client.
moneywoes 4y ago
Do you run nitter self hosted? The most popular server seems down for me

by haidev 4y ago

app4soft 4y ago

There is also Nitter for Android (WebView-app), but source repo not available for a month already.[0,1] [0] https://gitlab.com/Plexer0/Nitter-Android https://gitlab.com/Plexer0/Nitter-Android [1] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.plexer0.nitter/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.plexer0.nitter/

charcircuit 4y ago

Most people don't use third party clients, so no it won't.

seydor 4y ago

By "app" do you mean the twitter website (because that's all i ve used). Why would one need an App to read a list that s basically full of browser links?

wvenable 4y ago
Because the experience is better. That's the only reason anyone needs. Whether or not it's an App is immaterial.

gfodor 4y ago

It depends. Probably imo, but this speeds up product development significantly and frees up a ton of resources in exchange for alienating a lot of users and the network effects of an API. Who knows if this kind of analysis was considered, but it’s not obviously a bad move until we see if Twitter starts doing faster product revs that pan out into growth.

fencepost 4y ago

Won't this hurt Elon in the long run? Maybe, but compared to the rest of the damage he's done to his brand this is a relatively tiny droplet. This may drive away power users (or drive them to a Twitter-owned option?), but many of them are probably already looking at how much priority they should keep on Twitter. Twitter client issues for many may be a second place to Twitter content issues as a driving factor.

nomel 4y ago

> filled with ads and irrelevant clutter. I always assumed the third party clients just provided a better interface. I didn't realize they circumvented the income stream. If the third party clients were removing the means of monetization, for a company who struggles to profit, then it seems obvious that requiring paid access on its way, regardless of the owner. Twitter can't go forever at a loss. The "surprise" is surprising.

notwhereyouare 4y ago
I think it's more that the API didn't return the ads to the client. If they required 3rd party clients to include the ad's in the feed and grounds for termination of the API key if they weren't that would be a different story
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  What service does this? There are very strict rules in showing ads. Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. I can't think of a single service that provides ads for 3rd party clients to use. Most are hostile to 3rd party clients due to threatened ad revenue, that's why there's invidious, nitter, etc. whackamole.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    > Making sure you're not showing them by nsfw content, etc. or your advertisers will pull out. Which you can control by just returning the ads as part of the API response for the feed, which I'm sure how the official client does it. Making the client classify NSFW content and hide ads based on that seems like a stupid idea.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      Certainly, but the second you get a rouge actor, your advertisers are going to be pissed. At the very best the rouge app won't display ads. At the worse, they'll ignore a nsfw tag and won't show the spoiler overlay, angering your advertiser. Audits can catch it, but only after the damage is done. I don't think there's any service that lets their ad supported plan be in the hands of a 3rd party client.

moneywoes 4y ago

Do you run nitter self hosted? The most popular server seems down for me