I only mean to say that the counter culture is there relative to software devs. It's depressing how far from its roots infosec has made it. BlackHat is a great

I only mean to say that the counter culture is there relative to software devs. It's depressing how far from its roots infosec has made it. BlackHat is a great example - it's a fed conference. In terms of the explosion in products, sure. But that doesn't apply to the technical people. There are lots of problems because there's a large market solving a complex problem. If you're actually talking to technical people they can be of a pretty high calibur.