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> Uh yes. That's how you motivate your government to act. That's how you get your government to change laws. They're supposed to be enforcing the existing law

> Uh yes. That's how you motivate your government to act. That's how you get your government to change laws. They're supposed to be enforcing the existing laws as a matter of course. No one should have to launch a political campaign to receive the protections afforded to them under the existing laws. > Then you should read the battery statute. Believe me, I have. It's good for a laugh when I'm having a bad day. Preschools treat toddlers more like adults than that battery statute does. Even the toddlers are expected to be able to work out their issues without involving the state. > Kids play in dirt all the time. If I throw dirt in your face, that's assault. Then I suppose we should have a lot more children in jail, shouldn't we? If that's the line you want to take then go ahead, but the logical outcome is absurd. > None of that matters. You're given a criminal record by the Superior Court of California, not by Immanuel Kant. Sure, and a bunch of countries give people criminal records for being gay. Doesn't make it right, or not stupid. California is welcome to enforce those laws, and the rest of us are welcome to laugh at California for being such a nanny state they can't even tolerate the use of a garden hose in anger. Won't somebody think of the plants!

John23832 4y ago
> Sure, and a bunch of countries give people criminal records for being gay. Doesn't make it right, or not stupid. California is welcome to enforce those laws, and the rest of us are welcome to laugh at California for being such a nanny state they can't even tolerate the use of a garden hose in anger. Won't somebody think of the plants Ah yes, the man who checks notes sprays people with water in anger and is being held responsible is being persecuted like gay people. I’d also love to know where you live. The definition of battery is pretty similar in all 50 states. Use of force against another. Not sure that makes California a “nanny state” (there are many other reason that California sucks though).
- everforward 4y ago
  The point is not that the situations are equivalent, it's that something being illegal doesn't inherently change the morality of it. Where I live, it would be a fine if the person were found guilty. My state does allow the use of reasonable, non-deadly force to prevent the commission of property crimes (which vandalism and trespass would fall under, and likely some other applicable laws). In order for jail time to even be a possibility, some form of bodily harm would have to occur or be threatened, or they were a repeat offender. My state deserves derision for entirely separate reasons, but I think their laws around this particular facet are reasonable.

John23832 4y ago

> Sure, and a bunch of countries give people criminal records for being gay. Doesn't make it right, or not stupid. California is welcome to enforce those laws, and the rest of us are welcome to laugh at California for being such a nanny state they can't even tolerate the use of a garden hose in anger. Won't somebody think of the plants Ah yes, the man who checks notes sprays people with water in anger and is being held responsible is being persecuted like gay people. I’d also love to know where you live. The definition of battery is pretty similar in all 50 states. Use of force against another. Not sure that makes California a “nanny state” (there are many other reason that California sucks though).

everforward 4y ago
The point is not that the situations are equivalent, it's that something being illegal doesn't inherently change the morality of it. Where I live, it would be a fine if the person were found guilty. My state does allow the use of reasonable, non-deadly force to prevent the commission of property crimes (which vandalism and trespass would fall under, and likely some other applicable laws). In order for jail time to even be a possibility, some form of bodily harm would have to occur or be threatened, or they were a repeat offender. My state deserves derision for entirely separate reasons, but I think their laws around this particular facet are reasonable.