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Script Kit: cross-platform, scriptable, automatic shortcuts to everything

136 points by nateb2022 4y ago

afefers 4y ago
This is fantastic but I can't see myself using it simply because it uses Electron.
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- nateb2022 4y ago
  I'm sure there's worse hiding beneath the covers of some apps you use on a regular basis; e.g. Teams, Office, most AA/AAA games, etc. While Electron is far from optimal, just because a great app is built on top of it doesn't make that app any less great. As an example, although I do have a prejudice against Electron based apps myself, that doesn't prevent me from using VSCode, which itself is based on Electron. VSCode is pretty great, and I'm not going to not use it simply because it uses Electron.
  - cosmotic 4y ago
    Using electron generally means 10x cpu, energy, and memory usage. I'd say that is less great all on its own.
    - twosdai 4y ago
      Hey 10x of zero is still zero. :p
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    Yeah but it all adds up. Go look at the top energy, memory, cpu consuming apps in Activity Monitor. The top offenders are all electron based. Okay so we need the chat apps and the coding apps to be electron, those are always running. Okay now VPN apps need electron for some reason, okay now this scripting app needs it, okay those have to run all the time. Shit where'd my battery life and memory go? Oh the 6 electron apps running nonstop.
  - franga2000 4y ago
    Definitely, but those are large and complex applications. This is a fancy dropdown.
- sigmonsays 4y ago
  I agree. web browsers need to become a service in the OS that can securely be shared. Electron apps are crap until that happens.
  - tomComb 4y ago
    They already are on android, iOS, and windows.
  - dceddia 4y ago
    They already are – there's a system webview on Windows and macOS. There are a few "Electron alternatives" that use the system webview instead of bundling a copy of Chromium. Tauri [0] is one of them, built around Rust, and it's pretty great. I built a video editor with it. The usual complaint against this is that you have to support multiple browsers (Edge/Chromium on Windows, Safari on Mac). 0: https://tauri.app https://tauri.app
    - franga2000 4y ago
      Are those services or just shared libraries? I would imagine, although I'm not sure this is the case, that 50 tabs in a browser consume fewer resources than 50 individual WebViews.
imiric 4y ago
At the risk of sounding like an HN contrarian: I find it fascinating how many projects reinvent the wheel with a complex solution for something that's already easily possible, while introducing all sorts of limitations and security issues. This seems like a repository of—hopefully verified—NodeJS scripts, and a standard library of common tasks, presented by a slick graphical launcher. The appeal seems to be that it's cross-platform (yet no Linux?), and that users can write their own scripts. But... Other than the standard library, which might be useful, all of this is already possible. Just write your scripts _in any language_ and launch them via the universal launcher: the command line. Or, if you want to get fancy, use any number of script launchers, like rofi on Linux. I'm curious to know what this tool does differently or better than what's currently out there.
- synergy20 4y ago
  plus, rust-rewrite-all-your-utilities efforts, what rust really adds is syntax highlighting and esp be .gitignore aware but I now need remember quite a few different option flags. admittedly, the old unix tools(e.g. find,grep,etc) should had .gitignore-awareness etc a few years back, which is still undone.
- veidr 4y ago
  At the risk of sounding myself like a knee-jerk HN meta-cliché... you absolutely do sound like the famous Dropbox quote from here, or CmdrTaco's comment on the original iPod. Absolutely every single tool in this space is re-inventing the wheel. The entire concept of this kind of system automation scripting is, "do stuff that you could already do — but more conveniently." Now "more convenient" is maybe a slippery concept, but it could mean: - the same scripts work on different platforms - the interface for creating, managing, and executing scripts is good - include a good core library of building blocks to make tedious foundational things quick - generate a lot of user support/enthusiasm, resulting in e.g. lots of scripts, good forum or a lot of blog posts or docs, that make it easier to work with - offer UX or design elegance that somehow warms users' cockles - start with really good defaults You could do any one of those things well and make the world better. I currently use Raycast on Mac and it's cool, but it's Mac-only. On Linux I use Albert, but am still looking around (for years). The built-in commands of these tools are appreciated, but even when they are just invoking scripts I myself wrote, as a user I still want any help I can get in organizing my scripts and commands, syncing them across my machines, restoring them when I set up a new machine, and easily editing them in a convenient way that works well with revision tracking. Plus (in theory) I'd love to see other features, like easy ways to share useful automations with friends/family/whoever, etc. My point is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with reinventing the wheel if you can make a better wheel, especially in the context of day-to-day user interaction automation scripting. (For me personally, the potentially exciting bullet point for this particular system is "cross platform" — even if Linux is still WIP.)
drinchev 4y ago
This looks cool. However I was looking for a better “Alfred” on my Mac and found https://www.raycast.com/ https://www.raycast.com/. Seems like it’s not an electron app, but also works with JS and even React. In case someone is using both. What are the Pro/Cons against Raycast for ScriptKit?
- rockwotj 4y ago
  Raycast is an amazing tool, I use it everyday and have a few custom scripts to do stuff. Highly recommend. It's super nice to press cmd + space and type a common thing I do without having to think. I use it to move windows around, switch from light/dark mode (frontend dev) switch focus between Firefox, terminal and IDEs, control Spotify, manage my Asana tasks, the list goes on :)
swyx 4y ago
this is a gorgeous landing page. thank you John for always being so generous in sharing your automations.
johnlindquist 4y ago
Creator of Script Kit here. A few things to get out of the way: - I love Alfred/Raycast/BetterTouchTool/etc - I am not a company. This is an individual, highly-flawed passion project. Let's be kind. - I wanted to build an Open-source, cross-platform version of these tools that focused on reusable scripts - Linux builds exist, I don’t have the machines nor bandwidth to support them. I will need the community to step up if they feel it’s worthwhile We use Script Kit a lot internally at egghead.io for course/transcript production, so any success beyond that is honestly just a bonus. If there are any ideas/features/questions I can help with, the best place to ask is over on our GitHub discussions page (much easier to share code, etc). Cheers - John Lindquist
- MikeSchurman 4y ago
  Thanks John. I'm immediately excited by this project. I love the idea of alfred et. al. but there's always something lacking about them: it's difficult to do plugins, or they're done in a language I don't know, or they're not cross platform. This ticks all my boxes (as far as I can tell) so I'm looking forward to trying it this weekend.
  - imachine1980_ 4y ago
    They aren't cross plataform, windows say is in alpha and Linux doesn't even appear
- riidom 4y ago
  follow Linux discussion here (and have a link to the build): https://github.com/johnlindquist/kit/discussions/121 https://github.com/johnlindquist/kit/discussions/121
what-no-tests 4y ago
Hey this looks great, but for those of us using Linux (Ubuntu) as a desktop, is there a similar tool? Or a port of this?
bluelightning2k 4y ago
Looks great! And your site is also beautiful and clear. One piece of feedback: I saw the Apple download options and didn't realize there was a (much subtler) windows option. I think most people will miss that and think this is Apple only.
DandyDev 4y ago
I understand the reason for using Javascript as the scripting language here, because of its mass appeal, but to me personally it's super disappointing and a missed opportunity. Python to me has always been the ultimate glue and scripting language and it's sad to see it is not leveraged more often.
- cdaven 4y ago
  "The ultimate glue and scripting language" is taking it too far, I think. I have loved Python too, but fell out of love a long time ago. Julia is much better in many ways, _in my opinion_. Lua is a language that I have no experience of myself, but which is often embedded in things like this, because the interpreter is very small (if I'm not mistaken), which makes it convenient, and therefore in some ways superior to using either Javascript or Python. Just saying that there are many opinions and ways to think about this.

136 points by nateb2022 4y ago

afefers 4y ago

This is fantastic but I can't see myself using it simply because it uses Electron.

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nateb2022 4y ago
I'm sure there's worse hiding beneath the covers of some apps you use on a regular basis; e.g. Teams, Office, most AA/AAA games, etc. While Electron is far from optimal, just because a great app is built on top of it doesn't make that app any less great. As an example, although I do have a prejudice against Electron based apps myself, that doesn't prevent me from using VSCode, which itself is based on Electron. VSCode is pretty great, and I'm not going to not use it simply because it uses Electron.
- cosmotic 4y ago
  Using electron generally means 10x cpu, energy, and memory usage. I'd say that is less great all on its own.
  - twosdai 4y ago
    Hey 10x of zero is still zero. :p
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  Yeah but it all adds up. Go look at the top energy, memory, cpu consuming apps in Activity Monitor. The top offenders are all electron based. Okay so we need the chat apps and the coding apps to be electron, those are always running. Okay now VPN apps need electron for some reason, okay now this scripting app needs it, okay those have to run all the time. Shit where'd my battery life and memory go? Oh the 6 electron apps running nonstop.
- franga2000 4y ago
  Definitely, but those are large and complex applications. This is a fancy dropdown.
sigmonsays 4y ago
I agree. web browsers need to become a service in the OS that can securely be shared. Electron apps are crap until that happens.
- tomComb 4y ago
  They already are on android, iOS, and windows.
- dceddia 4y ago
  They already are – there's a system webview on Windows and macOS. There are a few "Electron alternatives" that use the system webview instead of bundling a copy of Chromium. Tauri [0] is one of them, built around Rust, and it's pretty great. I built a video editor with it. The usual complaint against this is that you have to support multiple browsers (Edge/Chromium on Windows, Safari on Mac). 0: https://tauri.app https://tauri.app
  - franga2000 4y ago
    Are those services or just shared libraries? I would imagine, although I'm not sure this is the case, that 50 tabs in a browser consume fewer resources than 50 individual WebViews.

imiric 4y ago

At the risk of sounding like an HN contrarian: I find it fascinating how many projects reinvent the wheel with a complex solution for something that's already easily possible, while introducing all sorts of limitations and security issues. This seems like a repository of—hopefully verified—NodeJS scripts, and a standard library of common tasks, presented by a slick graphical launcher. The appeal seems to be that it's cross-platform (yet no Linux?), and that users can write their own scripts. But... Other than the standard library, which might be useful, all of this is already possible. Just write your scripts _in any language_ and launch them via the universal launcher: the command line. Or, if you want to get fancy, use any number of script launchers, like rofi on Linux. I'm curious to know what this tool does differently or better than what's currently out there.

synergy20 4y ago
plus, rust-rewrite-all-your-utilities efforts, what rust really adds is syntax highlighting and esp be .gitignore aware but I now need remember quite a few different option flags. admittedly, the old unix tools(e.g. find,grep,etc) should had .gitignore-awareness etc a few years back, which is still undone.
veidr 4y ago
At the risk of sounding myself like a knee-jerk HN meta-cliché... you absolutely do sound like the famous Dropbox quote from here, or CmdrTaco's comment on the original iPod. Absolutely every single tool in this space is re-inventing the wheel. The entire concept of this kind of system automation scripting is, "do stuff that you could already do — but more conveniently." Now "more convenient" is maybe a slippery concept, but it could mean: - the same scripts work on different platforms - the interface for creating, managing, and executing scripts is good - include a good core library of building blocks to make tedious foundational things quick - generate a lot of user support/enthusiasm, resulting in e.g. lots of scripts, good forum or a lot of blog posts or docs, that make it easier to work with - offer UX or design elegance that somehow warms users' cockles - start with really good defaults You could do any one of those things well and make the world better. I currently use Raycast on Mac and it's cool, but it's Mac-only. On Linux I use Albert, but am still looking around (for years). The built-in commands of these tools are appreciated, but even when they are just invoking scripts I myself wrote, as a user I still want any help I can get in organizing my scripts and commands, syncing them across my machines, restoring them when I set up a new machine, and easily editing them in a convenient way that works well with revision tracking. Plus (in theory) I'd love to see other features, like easy ways to share useful automations with friends/family/whoever, etc. My point is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with reinventing the wheel if you can make a better wheel, especially in the context of day-to-day user interaction automation scripting. (For me personally, the potentially exciting bullet point for this particular system is "cross platform" — even if Linux is still WIP.)

drinchev 4y ago

This looks cool. However I was looking for a better “Alfred” on my Mac and found https://www.raycast.com/ https://www.raycast.com/. Seems like it’s not an electron app, but also works with JS and even React. In case someone is using both. What are the Pro/Cons against Raycast for ScriptKit?

rockwotj 4y ago
Raycast is an amazing tool, I use it everyday and have a few custom scripts to do stuff. Highly recommend. It's super nice to press cmd + space and type a common thing I do without having to think. I use it to move windows around, switch from light/dark mode (frontend dev) switch focus between Firefox, terminal and IDEs, control Spotify, manage my Asana tasks, the list goes on :)

swyx 4y ago

this is a gorgeous landing page. thank you John for always being so generous in sharing your automations.

johnlindquist 4y ago

Creator of Script Kit here. A few things to get out of the way: - I love Alfred/Raycast/BetterTouchTool/etc - I am not a company. This is an individual, highly-flawed passion project. Let's be kind. - I wanted to build an Open-source, cross-platform version of these tools that focused on reusable scripts - Linux builds exist, I don’t have the machines nor bandwidth to support them. I will need the community to step up if they feel it’s worthwhile We use Script Kit a lot internally at egghead.io for course/transcript production, so any success beyond that is honestly just a bonus. If there are any ideas/features/questions I can help with, the best place to ask is over on our GitHub discussions page (much easier to share code, etc). Cheers - John Lindquist

MikeSchurman 4y ago
Thanks John. I'm immediately excited by this project. I love the idea of alfred et. al. but there's always something lacking about them: it's difficult to do plugins, or they're done in a language I don't know, or they're not cross platform. This ticks all my boxes (as far as I can tell) so I'm looking forward to trying it this weekend.
- imachine1980_ 4y ago
  They aren't cross plataform, windows say is in alpha and Linux doesn't even appear
riidom 4y ago
follow Linux discussion here (and have a link to the build): https://github.com/johnlindquist/kit/discussions/121 https://github.com/johnlindquist/kit/discussions/121

what-no-tests 4y ago

Hey this looks great, but for those of us using Linux (Ubuntu) as a desktop, is there a similar tool? Or a port of this?

bluelightning2k 4y ago

Looks great! And your site is also beautiful and clear. One piece of feedback: I saw the Apple download options and didn't realize there was a (much subtler) windows option. I think most people will miss that and think this is Apple only.

DandyDev 4y ago

I understand the reason for using Javascript as the scripting language here, because of its mass appeal, but to me personally it's super disappointing and a missed opportunity. Python to me has always been the ultimate glue and scripting language and it's sad to see it is not leveraged more often.

cdaven 4y ago
"The ultimate glue and scripting language" is taking it too far, I think. I have loved Python too, but fell out of love a long time ago. Julia is much better in many ways, _in my opinion_. Lua is a language that I have no experience of myself, but which is often embedded in things like this, because the interpreter is very small (if I'm not mistaken), which makes it convenient, and therefore in some ways superior to using either Javascript or Python. Just saying that there are many opinions and ways to think about this.