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So, I am interested in your specific examples, and they may counter what I am about to say. So simplistically, we can plot most companies on a boring 2x2 grid

So, I am interested in your specific examples, and they may counter what I am about to say. So simplistically, we can plot most companies on a boring 2x2 grid management v technical. With bad management (say culture, communication, inspiration as a catch all for management) and bad technical in the bottom left and great management and great technical t the top. And if you take a person from the top right and put them in the bottom left they will by comparison look awesome. But no-one on HN is going to say I am a 10x coder because I say - review SQL stmts and add appropriate indexing - run a profiler over the code base to optimise for hot spots - stop half the pointless reporting meetings so people can actually work - add in test suites (or do the rest of the Joel 12 tests) But those things will have outsized results, as will fixing product management etc. Just playing a standard game will have outsized results in some quadrants.

gerbilly 4y ago
Ok one specific example. I'd say the 10x part isn't about productivity but insight into the problem. Most people solve the problem as given, but the times when I've been 10x I managed to change the definition of the problem to something simpler, and easier to solve. Here's an example: At one company they had a 'financial calculator,' i.e. a program to help visualise how some financial math played out over time and it was giving incorrect results. When I looked at the code I saw that it had been written by composing a lot of those functions you see on actual financial calculators, (1/V, PV, PMT, etc...). This may have seemed simpler to approach it this way, but because there were so many compositions and there was a root finding algorithm involved, it quickly got out of hand. I started from the problem definition, defined a recurrence relation for what we are trying to calculate, found a closed form formula for the recurrence relation. This part was the hard part. Now those 3000 lines of FV1P(XYZ(ABC())) turned into like 20 lines of simple math, _and_ the formula could now be solved for the other variables, so no more root finding. I just solved for the other variables, wrote functions for them and that was it. It ended up being faster, correct, numerically more stable, and the code was smaller. I wrote up a white-paper on how the math worked, included a proof and that was it. It took two weeks. The value to the customer was that this bug in this one part of their 'suite' of applications was holding up a sale to major prospective customer of their's. So fixing this had an outsized valued compared to the severity of the bug.
- lifeisstillgood 4y ago
  so my bag at the moment is software is a form of literacy. And that implies that (for now) some people can read and write and some cannot. Most business / software problems revolve around the problem of getting a person who understands the problem to explain it and work with the person who can write software. Your example is fascinating- and suggests that it works better when one person understands both parts :-)
  - gerbilly 4y ago
    Literacy is a good way of putting it. Another example I can give is when a client had some process represented by a graph, with boxes and arrows, but the structure of it was really ad hoc. It was _mostly_ a DAG except with some extra back edges they'd added to solve specific problems. I suggested modifications to their structure, their algorithms and their DB storage for this thing so that it _did_ become a DAG, being careful to explain how to keep their functionality working. After that the graph could be topologically sorted, and the upside was that instead of loading the whole graph at once as they were doing, we could load a single topological 'level' at a time. Added an index for topological level in the DB and we were able to make it efficient. They did have to do some work on the calling side, because they used to load it all at once, and now they had to load it in pieces, but we gained an order of magnitude or more in load time, so it was deemed worth the effort.
    - lifeisstillgood 4y ago
      I am fascinated by the psychology of this as much as anything. Any organisation is a meta-brain, and has emotion running throughout. Your two examples seem to come after the wheels have fallen off and the magnitude of the problem is evident to all. And they call in a consultant who might see a DAG or (more often I suspect) might see opportunities to sell 120 off shore developers and a rewrite using IBM/Java But anyway, if you had walked in a year previously with exactly the same plan would you have gotten any traction? A maths heavy white paper explaining why your ideas are the same as theirs but better would have met enormous emotional headwinds. Maybe our scientific revolution over the past few hundred years is a blip. That does worry me. If better solutions are avoided because of emotional reactions, it costs us all. Sorry this is starting a lot of thoughts and I should cover them more carefully. thanks for the insight and congratulations- soujds like a fun career !

gerbilly 4y ago

Ok one specific example. I'd say the 10x part isn't about productivity but insight into the problem. Most people solve the problem as given, but the times when I've been 10x I managed to change the definition of the problem to something simpler, and easier to solve. Here's an example: At one company they had a 'financial calculator,' i.e. a program to help visualise how some financial math played out over time and it was giving incorrect results. When I looked at the code I saw that it had been written by composing a lot of those functions you see on actual financial calculators, (1/V, PV, PMT, etc...). This may have seemed simpler to approach it this way, but because there were so many compositions and there was a root finding algorithm involved, it quickly got out of hand. I started from the problem definition, defined a recurrence relation for what we are trying to calculate, found a closed form formula for the recurrence relation. This part was the hard part. Now those 3000 lines of FV1P(XYZ(ABC())) turned into like 20 lines of simple math, _and_ the formula could now be solved for the other variables, so no more root finding. I just solved for the other variables, wrote functions for them and that was it. It ended up being faster, correct, numerically more stable, and the code was smaller. I wrote up a white-paper on how the math worked, included a proof and that was it. It took two weeks. The value to the customer was that this bug in this one part of their 'suite' of applications was holding up a sale to major prospective customer of their's. So fixing this had an outsized valued compared to the severity of the bug.

lifeisstillgood 4y ago
so my bag at the moment is software is a form of literacy. And that implies that (for now) some people can read and write and some cannot. Most business / software problems revolve around the problem of getting a person who understands the problem to explain it and work with the person who can write software. Your example is fascinating- and suggests that it works better when one person understands both parts :-)
- gerbilly 4y ago
  Literacy is a good way of putting it. Another example I can give is when a client had some process represented by a graph, with boxes and arrows, but the structure of it was really ad hoc. It was _mostly_ a DAG except with some extra back edges they'd added to solve specific problems. I suggested modifications to their structure, their algorithms and their DB storage for this thing so that it _did_ become a DAG, being careful to explain how to keep their functionality working. After that the graph could be topologically sorted, and the upside was that instead of loading the whole graph at once as they were doing, we could load a single topological 'level' at a time. Added an index for topological level in the DB and we were able to make it efficient. They did have to do some work on the calling side, because they used to load it all at once, and now they had to load it in pieces, but we gained an order of magnitude or more in load time, so it was deemed worth the effort.
  - lifeisstillgood 4y ago
    I am fascinated by the psychology of this as much as anything. Any organisation is a meta-brain, and has emotion running throughout. Your two examples seem to come after the wheels have fallen off and the magnitude of the problem is evident to all. And they call in a consultant who might see a DAG or (more often I suspect) might see opportunities to sell 120 off shore developers and a rewrite using IBM/Java But anyway, if you had walked in a year previously with exactly the same plan would you have gotten any traction? A maths heavy white paper explaining why your ideas are the same as theirs but better would have met enormous emotional headwinds. Maybe our scientific revolution over the past few hundred years is a blip. That does worry me. If better solutions are avoided because of emotional reactions, it costs us all. Sorry this is starting a lot of thoughts and I should cover them more carefully. thanks for the insight and congratulations- soujds like a fun career !