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If tickets were regularly given out in this way I think it would lead to even worse driving behavior. Sometimes I find myself going 10mph over the speed limit b

by zwkrt 4y ago

If tickets were regularly given out in this way I think it would lead to even worse driving behavior. Sometimes I find myself going 10mph over the speed limit because that is the rate that traffic is going. If I knew that there was some MVT ticketing checkpoint coming up, I might be inclined to suddenly slow way down, stop, pull over, or otherwise freak out.

this_steve_j 4y ago
The data could be used to generate and mail warning tickets to the registered owner of the vehicle, in cases of egregious/reckless mean or a pattern of high speed trips. Whatever that magic “bad” number is could be derived from crunching one or more of their massive data sets on tolls, driver history, violations, traffic volume, crashes with injuries, etc. It could be combined with data from a radar camera at the toll reader to verify the license plate for the transponder account, and identify the owner who is nominally responsible. In some cases where a family/friend is using someone else’s car to drive at highly excessive speeds over multiple trips, the vehicle owner is not aware and may like very much to know! I don’t see how using transponder data in that way is any more or less Orwellian than speed cameras or redlight cameras. In my US city these levy actual, cumulative $100+ fines on the car’s owner. These are “non-moving” violations, so the only impact on driving privileges is from failure to pay the fine.
BoorishBears 4y ago
That's exactly what this sort of enforcement avoids: You're averaging across multiple transponders, so unlike a cop with a LIDAR gun taking a single reading (where people do already suddenly slow down) you'd need to consistently not speed across every single one you pass. In some areas there are several transponders less than a mile apart, so unless you plan on slamming your brakes every few thousand feet you're better off just not speeding - I'm someone who chronically speeds, but I'm also for blanket highway speed enforcement. Right now speeding seems to be about what you can get away with in a really frustrating way: If can learn the right speed traps, or you can chat a cop the right way, or your car even looks a certain way, you can get away with some ridiculous things. Blanket enforcement wouldn't necessarily be regressive either: Regardless of how many tickets you can afford, eventually points stack up and you lose your license

by zwkrt 4y ago

this_steve_j 4y ago

The data could be used to generate and mail warning tickets to the registered owner of the vehicle, in cases of egregious/reckless mean or a pattern of high speed trips. Whatever that magic “bad” number is could be derived from crunching one or more of their massive data sets on tolls, driver history, violations, traffic volume, crashes with injuries, etc. It could be combined with data from a radar camera at the toll reader to verify the license plate for the transponder account, and identify the owner who is nominally responsible. In some cases where a family/friend is using someone else’s car to drive at highly excessive speeds over multiple trips, the vehicle owner is not aware and may like very much to know! I don’t see how using transponder data in that way is any more or less Orwellian than speed cameras or redlight cameras. In my US city these levy actual, cumulative $100+ fines on the car’s owner. These are “non-moving” violations, so the only impact on driving privileges is from failure to pay the fine.

BoorishBears 4y ago

That's exactly what this sort of enforcement avoids: You're averaging across multiple transponders, so unlike a cop with a LIDAR gun taking a single reading (where people do already suddenly slow down) you'd need to consistently not speed across every single one you pass. In some areas there are several transponders less than a mile apart, so unless you plan on slamming your brakes every few thousand feet you're better off just not speeding - I'm someone who chronically speeds, but I'm also for blanket highway speed enforcement. Right now speeding seems to be about what you can get away with in a really frustrating way: If can learn the right speed traps, or you can chat a cop the right way, or your car even looks a certain way, you can get away with some ridiculous things. Blanket enforcement wouldn't necessarily be regressive either: Regardless of how many tickets you can afford, eventually points stack up and you lose your license