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This idea is something if felt but have been unable to articulate. For example, one of my very close friends is an ultra progressive guy. He’s vegan and talks

by rank0 4y ago

This idea is something if felt but have been unable to articulate. For example, one of my very close friends is an ultra progressive guy. He’s vegan and talks a lot about personal responsibility to combat climate change. He was condemning people partying at my house for using disposable vapes since the packaging and plastic is wasteful…never mind the 6 pack of beer bottles he brought! Another close friend is borderline carnivore, and likes to joke about controversial topics. Having both of those guys around inevitably leads to arguments (mostly friendly) but that shit makes the other guests uncomfortable! People need to stop caring so much about how others live and speak. Your personal philosophy isn’t special and shouldn’t prevent you from socializing with others!

ryandrake 4y ago
At least in the US, extreme political polarization has also made it so ~40% of people won't even hang out or party with another ~40% of people, and vice versa. I've got friends on both sides, and I'd never be able to host a successful party that included them all. People can't leave that shit at home anymore.
- User23 4y ago
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  - narrator 4y ago
    The gold and vitamins is because anything to the right of NPR has trouble getting advertisers. There's a podcast I listen to called The China Show that is dedicated to news about things going on in China that's critical of China. They have tons of listeners but have to have the absolute most awful advertisers like online gambling sites because nobody wants to risk being their sponsor and pissing off the Chinese government. With regards to the Chesterton fence, I don't discuss vax politics with anyone at this point unless they signal that they have a deep understanding. That goes for most conspiracy stuff too. That's because even if they are totally open and desiring to hear to my position, the information is so segregated based on what media one pays attention to, I'll end up giving a big 30 minute stump speech explaining all the stuff they never heard of because they don't listen to alt. media and it's just annoying and a one-sided conversation that I'd rather not have. Better that they go listen to a podcast or something if they're interested than waste time on that sort of one-sided conversation.
  - INeedMoreRam 4y ago
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- sahila 4y ago
  I don’t understand why should people “leave that shit at home”? I’m not defending the parent example of a friend being progressive and criticizing others while engaging in similar wasteful behavior, but if you really believe in something, doesn’t it hurt to see the opposite? I suppose most people’s views in the US are superficial and team based in which case then I agree.
  - weakfortress 4y ago
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  - cheschire 4y ago
    > doesn't it hurt to see the opposite This is the point. Leave that shit at home so the "other" folks don't have to see your shit. And if they agree to this social construct then you will not have to see their shit either.
    - sahila 4y ago
      Right, but I guess the presumption is you’re the arbiter of what shit is worth leaving at home versus not. I assume if a known pedophile came to a party, others might say something and you’d be okay with that. Not trying to raise a big point but I just don’t think it’s easy for everyone else to leave things they care about at home as some others. The more passionate, the harder it is.
  - nescioquid 4y ago
    I would agree to "leave that shit at home" insofar as it means "leave that shit at home until it is mature enough to be taken out in public". If you can discuss your opinions without giving or taking offense, then fine. I certainly haven't reached that level of maturity, so it is an ideal for me. > ... but if you really believe in something... Let's be clear whether this means you feel a need to persuade the person you're sharing your opinion with. If so, have you given serious thought about how to persuade? What is more important here to you: sharing your opinion or bringing others to adopt it?
craftkiller 4y ago
> never mind the 6 pack of beer bottles he brought! Glass is infinitely recyclable, whereas "disposable vapes" could be referring to just the cartridge (hopefully) but also could mean the full-fledged single-use vapes with a lithium battery inside. If its the latter, they really should switch to the former. If its the former then I think your friend was being a bit excessive griping about that but a 6 pack of infinitely recyclable glass is hardly a comparison to the perma-trash generated by plastic vape carts. edit: just want to add, those lithium batteries aren't "disposable" because of any innate attribute of the battery, they're only "disposable" because they are sold that way. The batteries could have been reused if the company manufacturing the vape just designed it as such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJMj7FtroY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJMj7FtroY
- rank0 4y ago
  Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling. There’s also the bottle caps, the packaging, and carbon cost of shipping a MUCH heavier product. There’s gotta be carbon output for growing barley and producing the actual beer too! All so my environmentalist buddy can get drunk. He shouldn’t feel guilty. The point is he’s doing the same thing as the vapers: emitting waste for a fleeting psychoactive effect. The problem of climate change is so far above everyone’s pay grade. People shouldn’t be chastising others for their carbon footprint. It’s silly and impacts nothing. I love my homie but Christ he’s gotta stop playing climate change moral arbiter
  - gruez 4y ago
    > Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling. Source for this being applicable to glass? The news sources I've seen say that it's mostly an issue with plastics.
    - wkat4242 4y ago
      Also, glass isn't terribly polluting. It's inert and it will eventually degrade into sand. It'll take a long time but it's not like microplastics that stay in the body. And we've been recycling glass before recycling was a big thing of course.
eastbound 4y ago
Politics is the art of meddling the state’s stewardship into people’s everyday life. Otherwise, it’s just heads of state talking together and no-one dares or feel empowered about managing the directions. But if you decide everyone should paint their bikeshed yellow? if you make everyone yell at each other for a mask? if you make one group believe their future depends on their siblings not consuming resources? This is politics.

by rank0 4y ago

ryandrake 4y ago

At least in the US, extreme political polarization has also made it so ~40% of people won't even hang out or party with another ~40% of people, and vice versa. I've got friends on both sides, and I'd never be able to host a successful party that included them all. People can't leave that shit at home anymore.

User23 4y ago
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- narrator 4y ago
  The gold and vitamins is because anything to the right of NPR has trouble getting advertisers. There's a podcast I listen to called The China Show that is dedicated to news about things going on in China that's critical of China. They have tons of listeners but have to have the absolute most awful advertisers like online gambling sites because nobody wants to risk being their sponsor and pissing off the Chinese government. With regards to the Chesterton fence, I don't discuss vax politics with anyone at this point unless they signal that they have a deep understanding. That goes for most conspiracy stuff too. That's because even if they are totally open and desiring to hear to my position, the information is so segregated based on what media one pays attention to, I'll end up giving a big 30 minute stump speech explaining all the stuff they never heard of because they don't listen to alt. media and it's just annoying and a one-sided conversation that I'd rather not have. Better that they go listen to a podcast or something if they're interested than waste time on that sort of one-sided conversation.
- INeedMoreRam 4y ago
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sahila 4y ago
I don’t understand why should people “leave that shit at home”? I’m not defending the parent example of a friend being progressive and criticizing others while engaging in similar wasteful behavior, but if you really believe in something, doesn’t it hurt to see the opposite? I suppose most people’s views in the US are superficial and team based in which case then I agree.
- weakfortress 4y ago
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- cheschire 4y ago
  > doesn't it hurt to see the opposite This is the point. Leave that shit at home so the "other" folks don't have to see your shit. And if they agree to this social construct then you will not have to see their shit either.
  - sahila 4y ago
    Right, but I guess the presumption is you’re the arbiter of what shit is worth leaving at home versus not. I assume if a known pedophile came to a party, others might say something and you’d be okay with that. Not trying to raise a big point but I just don’t think it’s easy for everyone else to leave things they care about at home as some others. The more passionate, the harder it is.
- nescioquid 4y ago
  I would agree to "leave that shit at home" insofar as it means "leave that shit at home until it is mature enough to be taken out in public". If you can discuss your opinions without giving or taking offense, then fine. I certainly haven't reached that level of maturity, so it is an ideal for me. > ... but if you really believe in something... Let's be clear whether this means you feel a need to persuade the person you're sharing your opinion with. If so, have you given serious thought about how to persuade? What is more important here to you: sharing your opinion or bringing others to adopt it?

craftkiller 4y ago

> never mind the 6 pack of beer bottles he brought! Glass is infinitely recyclable, whereas "disposable vapes" could be referring to just the cartridge (hopefully) but also could mean the full-fledged single-use vapes with a lithium battery inside. If its the latter, they really should switch to the former. If its the former then I think your friend was being a bit excessive griping about that but a 6 pack of infinitely recyclable glass is hardly a comparison to the perma-trash generated by plastic vape carts. edit: just want to add, those lithium batteries aren't "disposable" because of any innate attribute of the battery, they're only "disposable" because they are sold that way. The batteries could have been reused if the company manufacturing the vape just designed it as such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJMj7FtroY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsJMj7FtroY

rank0 4y ago
Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling. There’s also the bottle caps, the packaging, and carbon cost of shipping a MUCH heavier product. There’s gotta be carbon output for growing barley and producing the actual beer too! All so my environmentalist buddy can get drunk. He shouldn’t feel guilty. The point is he’s doing the same thing as the vapers: emitting waste for a fleeting psychoactive effect. The problem of climate change is so far above everyone’s pay grade. People shouldn’t be chastising others for their carbon footprint. It’s silly and impacts nothing. I love my homie but Christ he’s gotta stop playing climate change moral arbiter
- gruez 4y ago
  > Most recycling winds up in a landfill. It’s expensive and costs energy. Sometimes we just pay china to put waste into a landfill and call it recycling. Source for this being applicable to glass? The news sources I've seen say that it's mostly an issue with plastics.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    Also, glass isn't terribly polluting. It's inert and it will eventually degrade into sand. It'll take a long time but it's not like microplastics that stay in the body. And we've been recycling glass before recycling was a big thing of course.

eastbound 4y ago

Politics is the art of meddling the state’s stewardship into people’s everyday life. Otherwise, it’s just heads of state talking together and no-one dares or feel empowered about managing the directions. But if you decide everyone should paint their bikeshed yellow? if you make everyone yell at each other for a mask? if you make one group believe their future depends on their siblings not consuming resources? This is politics.