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That makes about as much sense to me as putting CEOs on the board of unions.

greenn 4y ago
The difference might be that workers have an interest in maintaining the business so they still have well paid jobs while CEOs do not necessarily have an interest in unions' well-being.
- flohofwoe 4y ago
  Many CEOs don't even have an interest in the company's well being (in the long run at at least)
Agingcoder 4y ago
It creates trust. Basically, instead of having unions/employees explain in conspiratorial tones why management is evil, they see what's happening for real. It's a lot harder to say 'evil board' when you have a seat there and are (for example) facing massive losses - your job then becomes to build a collective, satisfactory solution rather than just stay in the opposition and complain. Because employees trust the board, they will also accept changes, sometimes hard ones.
nickbauman 4y ago
The big German companies invite the unions in because they are a source of innovation too. And managing the connection between the people who actually build the cars and the people who design/plan them is important.
- nasmorn 4y ago
  The designers are also unionized
- LegitShady 4y ago
  big german companies do it because they are required to by law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_representation_on_corporate_boards_of_directors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_representation_on_corpo...
  - nickbauman 4y ago
    This is interesting. I sat next to a German manager of DaimlerChrysler (which really dates me, I know) on a flight. He agreed with the idea of worker unions being inside the company and having a seat at the table. He also disliked the practice of building cars "offshore" because, he said "the knowledge of building the car leaves the country".
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      Nonetheless, they don't let them on the board out of any self interest aside from following the law.
NickC25 4y ago
I actually see no problem with that. If the employees have a mechanism to keep management in check, there should be a way of management keeping employees in check. As long as there's a way to make sure everyone is on the same page, and there's harmony on and also between every level of the company, that's fine in my book.
- leshow 4y ago
  > there should be a way of management keeping employees in check You mean like the power to hire and fire them, tell them what to do, and how much they get paid?
littlestymaar 4y ago
CEOs and upper management aren't actually forbidden to unionize ;)

The difference might be that workers have an interest in maintaining the business so they still have well paid jobs while CEOs do not necessarily have an interest in unions' well-being.

flohofwoe 4y ago
Many CEOs don't even have an interest in the company's well being (in the long run at at least)

Agingcoder 4y ago

It creates trust. Basically, instead of having unions/employees explain in conspiratorial tones why management is evil, they see what's happening for real. It's a lot harder to say 'evil board' when you have a seat there and are (for example) facing massive losses - your job then becomes to build a collective, satisfactory solution rather than just stay in the opposition and complain. Because employees trust the board, they will also accept changes, sometimes hard ones.

nickbauman 4y ago

The big German companies invite the unions in because they are a source of innovation too. And managing the connection between the people who actually build the cars and the people who design/plan them is important.

nasmorn 4y ago
The designers are also unionized
LegitShady 4y ago
big german companies do it because they are required to by law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_representation_on_corporate_boards_of_directors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_representation_on_corpo...
- nickbauman 4y ago
  This is interesting. I sat next to a German manager of DaimlerChrysler (which really dates me, I know) on a flight. He agreed with the idea of worker unions being inside the company and having a seat at the table. He also disliked the practice of building cars "offshore" because, he said "the knowledge of building the car leaves the country".
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    Nonetheless, they don't let them on the board out of any self interest aside from following the law.

NickC25 4y ago

I actually see no problem with that. If the employees have a mechanism to keep management in check, there should be a way of management keeping employees in check. As long as there's a way to make sure everyone is on the same page, and there's harmony on and also between every level of the company, that's fine in my book.

leshow 4y ago
> there should be a way of management keeping employees in check You mean like the power to hire and fire them, tell them what to do, and how much they get paid?

littlestymaar 4y ago

CEOs and upper management aren't actually forbidden to unionize ;)