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I worked on Sundars team at Google in 2006. He is highly technical and understands the nuance of software.

by anxman 4y ago

myko 4y ago
Could he have lost that in the intervening time?
- simonswords82 4y ago
  As somebody who started my software company in 2007 and stopped coding full time around 2012/2013 I'd say if you did it long enough you never lose the abstract concepts. I understand everything my head of engineering tells me and don't need it ELI5'd. However being told it, and being asked to do it are two different things. I would be a very useful or productive coder if I went back in to the trenches.
  - myko 4y ago
    > I would be a very useful or productive coder if I went back in to the trenches. Would or would not? After being in management for years I sometimes feel like I would not be, at least not without 6-12 months of doing it every day.
ActionHank 4y ago
I doubt you can "understand the nuance of software" without having been in the trenches, even a little. Managing software roadmaps and projects or people is vastly different to dealing with systems and code.
systemvoltage 4y ago
CEO of Google should be a software engineer. There are many execs at Google that can do a better job than uninspiring Sundar. If I were a shareholder of Google/Alphabet, I would be demanding a better CEO.
xiphias2 4y ago
Sorry, but I haven't seen his code base, and I don't know any significant technical achievement of his other than spamming everybody with Chrome download links everywhere to make it the number 1 browser (it was a great strategy, but not enough to run a company). Google is paying Jeff Dean, the guy who even after was famous for a lot of things, after imagenet challenge result came out, stopped everything else, read research papers for a week, and implemented a system that separates dogs from cats with unprecedented precision. People like Jeff Dean or Demis Hassabis are the kind of people who can make me stop everything I'm doing and listen to them when they say that the company should go into a direction.
- FearlessNebula 4y ago
  > People like Jeff Dean or Demis Hassabis are the kind of people who can make me stop everything I'm doing and listen to them when they say that the company should go into a direction. I wonder if maybe these people are too principled to spy on people to the extent that Google does to profit the way they do. Maybe they select for a CEO who is talented, but also driven by money enough to prioritize that at all costs.
  - xiphias2 4y ago
    Demis is a super hard negotiator who was the only person able to get bought while keeping full control. I think he's more than capable of doing business. Jeff Dean may not care that much about business, as he spent all his life on scalability, but he understands more than most people the exact data needed to be collected to be able to train the neural networks for launching / improving products. He may not want to be CEO, but I don't think that's a bad trait for a CEO.

I worked on Sundars team at Google in 2006. He is highly technical and understands the nuance of software.

by anxman 4y ago

I worked on Sundars team at Google in 2006. He is highly technical and understands the nuance of software.

myko 4y ago

Could he have lost that in the intervening time?

simonswords82 4y ago
As somebody who started my software company in 2007 and stopped coding full time around 2012/2013 I'd say if you did it long enough you never lose the abstract concepts. I understand everything my head of engineering tells me and don't need it ELI5'd. However being told it, and being asked to do it are two different things. I would be a very useful or productive coder if I went back in to the trenches.
- myko 4y ago
  > I would be a very useful or productive coder if I went back in to the trenches. Would or would not? After being in management for years I sometimes feel like I would not be, at least not without 6-12 months of doing it every day.

ActionHank 4y ago

I doubt you can "understand the nuance of software" without having been in the trenches, even a little. Managing software roadmaps and projects or people is vastly different to dealing with systems and code.

systemvoltage 4y ago

CEO of Google should be a software engineer. There are many execs at Google that can do a better job than uninspiring Sundar. If I were a shareholder of Google/Alphabet, I would be demanding a better CEO.

xiphias2 4y ago

Sorry, but I haven't seen his code base, and I don't know any significant technical achievement of his other than spamming everybody with Chrome download links everywhere to make it the number 1 browser (it was a great strategy, but not enough to run a company). Google is paying Jeff Dean, the guy who even after was famous for a lot of things, after imagenet challenge result came out, stopped everything else, read research papers for a week, and implemented a system that separates dogs from cats with unprecedented precision. People like Jeff Dean or Demis Hassabis are the kind of people who can make me stop everything I'm doing and listen to them when they say that the company should go into a direction.

FearlessNebula 4y ago
> People like Jeff Dean or Demis Hassabis are the kind of people who can make me stop everything I'm doing and listen to them when they say that the company should go into a direction. I wonder if maybe these people are too principled to spy on people to the extent that Google does to profit the way they do. Maybe they select for a CEO who is talented, but also driven by money enough to prioritize that at all costs.
- xiphias2 4y ago
  Demis is a super hard negotiator who was the only person able to get bought while keeping full control. I think he's more than capable of doing business. Jeff Dean may not care that much about business, as he spent all his life on scalability, but he understands more than most people the exact data needed to be collected to be able to train the neural networks for launching / improving products. He may not want to be CEO, but I don't think that's a bad trait for a CEO.