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> He was served with a search warrant that was missing dozens of pages and gave no reason for the raid; the case records related to the warrant have been sealed

> He was served with a search warrant that was missing dozens of pages and gave no reason for the raid; the case records related to the warrant have been sealed, so there’s no way of telling what the point of the search was. Can't you file a compliant against search warrants in the US? How are you supposed to file such a complaint if you don't even know what it's about?

flandish 4y ago
The basic logic is nonsense, and scary, and quite authoritarian: Fight a bad warrant now and risk getting shot, or let them do potentially illegal things in your private space, take all your assets, and with a magical pile of money you have hidden away, fight it in court.
- pontifier 4y ago
  Someone has to fight it or this stuff will keep happening. If they get away with it they'll keep doing it. They're pushing the limits, and seeing how far they can go. It has to stop.
  - awb 4y ago
    Afroman is responding to a raid against him in his own way: Will You Help Me Repair My Door? https://youtu.be/oponIfu5L3Y https://youtu.be/oponIfu5L3Y Why You Disconnecting My Video Camera? https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      > Afroman is responding to a raid against him in his own way: Because the courts never do anything to hold the government responsible unless there's political pressure. Lucky for him he's in a position to generate publicity and pressure without dying in a bulldozer.
    - pontifier 4y ago
      Lol, I have video of the police trying to disable my security system too! No record of the entry was ever made, no warrant was ever issued. https://youtu.be/p6kKKsXbJcM https://youtu.be/p6kKKsXbJcM
      - awb 4y ago
        Did you file a breaking and entering complaint with the police? Or just let it go?
        pontifier 4y ago
        I showed it to the Police Chief. He resigned not long after that. There's too much fishy stuff to keep track of here.
  - colechristensen 4y ago
    I’m fine with this though. Area 51 is mostly for testing new military tech. Doubtful there is anything there with a strong public need to know. These are secrets they should be allowed to have and protect. Dudes hobby was publishing as much as possible about classified things… play stupid games win stupid prizes. If there was some public good served or some important need to know… sure that’s worth consideration. If it was some much more mundane “secret” or publishing something that should be free to know or had a significant public interest, sure. But it’s not, it’s feeding off Area 51 conspiracies for funzies and well I’m not so upset if that gets your raided by the FBI. If you don’t want to legitimize and strengthen these over the top responses, don’t test the exact boundaries of things which are pretty defensibly legitimate. (Like details about a classified aircraft test facility)
    - flandish 4y ago
      He could be live-streaming alien sex videos - and the government should still have to gather the required warrants. Period.
      - hulitu 4y ago
        But the real question is: Is alien sex, pornography ? I'm sure that the supreme court would like to talk about it. /s (People vs Larry Flint)
jameshart 4y ago
Not a lawyer, but actually if you read up a lot of the legal analysis and court documents surrounding the FBI search of Mar a Lago and subsequent appeals by Mr Trump to request his stuff back and to stymie any investigations.. the list of things Trump’s lawyers were unable to prove or failed to do (enumerated rather effectively in the final appeal court ruling on the Special Master case [1]) lays out basically what legal recourse a person actually does have to object to a search (which is approved by a court, so generally presumptively legal). Which is not much - the FBI is allowed to pursue investigations, and presumably they are still doing that. This was fairly recent. He’s only really going to be in a position to complain about not getting his stuff back if they conclude their investigation without charging him and still don’t hand it back. But still, the analysis in the Mar a Lago case of the ‘Richey’ factors seems like it maybe could be argued that this guy has some merits to asking for his stuff back in precisely the ways the Trump case lacked (disregard for constitutional rights, with respect to his first amendment speech in particular; pressing need for access to the seized property, as demonstrated by his mention of tax records etc.; lack of a remedy at law, given that he hasn’t been given notice of any pending charges and is missing part of the warrant, etc). So maybe he has a case. Whether he has the money to make that case is a different matter. [1] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23323316-11thcircuit https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23323316-11thcircuit
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flandish 4y ago

The basic logic is nonsense, and scary, and quite authoritarian: Fight a bad warrant now and risk getting shot, or let them do potentially illegal things in your private space, take all your assets, and with a magical pile of money you have hidden away, fight it in court.

pontifier 4y ago
Someone has to fight it or this stuff will keep happening. If they get away with it they'll keep doing it. They're pushing the limits, and seeing how far they can go. It has to stop.
- awb 4y ago
  Afroman is responding to a raid against him in his own way: Will You Help Me Repair My Door? https://youtu.be/oponIfu5L3Y https://youtu.be/oponIfu5L3Y Why You Disconnecting My Video Camera? https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    > Afroman is responding to a raid against him in his own way: Because the courts never do anything to hold the government responsible unless there's political pressure. Lucky for him he's in a position to generate publicity and pressure without dying in a bulldozer.
  - pontifier 4y ago
    Lol, I have video of the police trying to disable my security system too! No record of the entry was ever made, no warrant was ever issued. https://youtu.be/p6kKKsXbJcM https://youtu.be/p6kKKsXbJcM
    - awb 4y ago
      Did you file a breaking and entering complaint with the police? Or just let it go?
      - pontifier 4y ago
        I showed it to the Police Chief. He resigned not long after that. There's too much fishy stuff to keep track of here.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  I’m fine with this though. Area 51 is mostly for testing new military tech. Doubtful there is anything there with a strong public need to know. These are secrets they should be allowed to have and protect. Dudes hobby was publishing as much as possible about classified things… play stupid games win stupid prizes. If there was some public good served or some important need to know… sure that’s worth consideration. If it was some much more mundane “secret” or publishing something that should be free to know or had a significant public interest, sure. But it’s not, it’s feeding off Area 51 conspiracies for funzies and well I’m not so upset if that gets your raided by the FBI. If you don’t want to legitimize and strengthen these over the top responses, don’t test the exact boundaries of things which are pretty defensibly legitimate. (Like details about a classified aircraft test facility)
  - flandish 4y ago
    He could be live-streaming alien sex videos - and the government should still have to gather the required warrants. Period.
    - hulitu 4y ago
      But the real question is: Is alien sex, pornography ? I'm sure that the supreme court would like to talk about it. /s (People vs Larry Flint)

jameshart 4y ago

Not a lawyer, but actually if you read up a lot of the legal analysis and court documents surrounding the FBI search of Mar a Lago and subsequent appeals by Mr Trump to request his stuff back and to stymie any investigations.. the list of things Trump’s lawyers were unable to prove or failed to do (enumerated rather effectively in the final appeal court ruling on the Special Master case [1]) lays out basically what legal recourse a person actually does have to object to a search (which is approved by a court, so generally presumptively legal). Which is not much - the FBI is allowed to pursue investigations, and presumably they are still doing that. This was fairly recent. He’s only really going to be in a position to complain about not getting his stuff back if they conclude their investigation without charging him and still don’t hand it back. But still, the analysis in the Mar a Lago case of the ‘Richey’ factors seems like it maybe could be argued that this guy has some merits to asking for his stuff back in precisely the ways the Trump case lacked (disregard for constitutional rights, with respect to his first amendment speech in particular; pressing need for access to the seized property, as demonstrated by his mention of tax records etc.; lack of a remedy at law, given that he hasn’t been given notice of any pending charges and is missing part of the warrant, etc). So maybe he has a case. Whether he has the money to make that case is a different matter. [1] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23323316-11thcircuit https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23323316-11thcircuit

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