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Dear YouTube AI, I Am Not a Nazi
I love Youtube. For an autodidact (i.e. dilettante) such as myself it is a dream come true of knowledge. I like it so much that I pay the utterly economically irrational Youtube Premium monthly fee just to skip ads.
I would say about 35% of my feed correctly anticipates my nerd interests in content in mathematical foundations, theoretical physics, and computer science. About 35% of my feed anticipates my interest in various martial arts and combat sports. The rest of my feed is for random walk curiosity topics I’ve dipped into over some recent time period.
There are a strangely high number of gun videos. All sorts of things from guys running around promoting tactical training to gun reviews etc... I like martial arts and combat sports. I don’t like guns. Maybe you like guns. Good for you. We all have our things. Not for me though. Maybe that makes me such a statistical outlier that it just breaks any attempts to mathematical model me. If only there was some way to tell the algorithm it has something wrong. Oh wait – there is. I click “Not Interested” and “Don’t Recommend This Channel” to gun video I see.
As far as I can tell those buttons aren’t connected to anything on the back-end. They seem to exist to provide the user with some comforting illusion of control but have no. This is pretty absurd on its face. I mean we can talk about artificial intelligence until we are blue in the face but when the actual human keeps slamming a button saying “NO THE ALGORITHM HAS THE WRONG OUTPUT TRY AGAIN” and it has zero impact then what kind of choices are being made at Youtube. Like what are all those people actually doing all day. But OK, I’m a big boy. I don’t like guns but I’m not triggered and I gloss on by.
But yesterday I got a whole new level of WTF. Yesterday I got a full on Nazi propaganda video. Not Nazi in the sense the term gets over-used as internet rhetoric. No, I’m talking about the kind of guys who would be proud to be called Nazis. Some doofus called the Leather Apron Club appeared on my feed with a video explaining how overrepresented Jews are on Joe Rogan and how dangerous this is for “us.” It turns out this is a whole lovely channel with 30k subscribers devoted to warning good white Christian American folks about the insidious Jewish media domination conspiracy.
I’m not calling for this to be banned. This isn’t a free speech thing. This is a serious questioning of what the hell any of the Youtube engineers and managers have been doing for the past 17 years. 17 years. Youtube isn’t a new product which popped up last month. They have had almost two decades and virtually unlimited resources to file down the rough edge cases. And yet here I am – a sucker actually sending $12 to Google every month– being recommended Nazi propaganda. Sure I can click “DON’T RECOMMEND” and “NOT INTERESTED” until I’m blue in the face but based on prior experience I doubt that will have any effect. If anything, because I was so puzzled by what was happening that I looked at who this Leather fellow was, Youtube’s trillion dollar “AI” tech stack will probably serve more and more of this stuff. In which case I just exit. I leave Youtube and take my $144 of bloated 99% margin revenue with me. A+ business job managers.
I’m just baffled here. Everyone is terrified of AI taking over the world and here the world’s biggest AI entity after two decades and billions upon billions of spending seems to have a recommendation algorithm with precision I could hack together in Microsoft Excel over a weekend. You have legions of very highly paid business managers who haven’t realized that this is a great way to not make revenue. How is this product such a flaming pile of dog poo that this can systemically happen? This is Hacker News. I’d sure love it if some people with current or former insights from the Youtube team can help explain.
- throwifasd 4y ago[flagged]
- deadlinermusic 4y agoI have seen this as well. What in the world is going on at Google?
- lern_too_spel 4y agoI get ads from the Epoch Times in my Discover feed all the time, and every time, I tell it to block that ad. No, I don't want to get news from Chinese cultists. No, I don't want to watch their corny stage productions. Please stop.
- nhchris 4y ago> I like it so much that I pay the utterly economically irrational Youtube Premium monthly fee just to skip ads. I use uBlock Origin and haven't seen an ad on Youtube in years.
- kubanczyk 4y agoA big bonus of uBlock Origin is customization. I've disabled the righthand suggestions and the post-play suggestions, so I'm not subjected to The Algorithm.
- Udo 4y agoI regularly get recommendations for extremist content on Youtube, even though it's not thematically related to anything I already watch. The most harmless ones are Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate videos, but not too far behind is conspiracy stuff, fundamentalist religious channels, "spiritual" videos about faith and ghosts and living the Matrix. Like you, I used to click on the <not interested> options to little effect, so now I just ignore them. It's actually a running joke with my friends that in the YT app on my iPad I often get an extremist suggestion exactly in the third slot of the suggested videos list. Here's my theory on why that happens: Youtube knows I'm male, kind of old, a tech nerd, and that I likely don't have any kids or a wife. That's it. It's the kind of content I'm supposed to like in my gender/age/status cohort.