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It is not difficult to test that a machine is conscious and willing to show it. We do it with our fellow humans every day. Simply crack a joke around it, share

It is not difficult to test that a machine is conscious and willing to show it. We do it with our fellow humans every day. Simply crack a joke around it, share a story, or do small talk, and see how it reacts.

rhn_mk1 4y ago
It's absolutely difficult to tell that something is conscious. How many cancer patients laugh at jokes? Locked-in paraplegics? Have you heard a dog laugh at a joke? A crow? On the other hand, try small talk with your beloved dog and watch the reactions. What would have the reaction of ChatGPT be for you to believe that it's conscious?
- GalenErso 4y ago
  An AGI is generally understood to have a level of intelligence equivalent to a normal human. And I expect reactions to be vocalized and articulated, something dogs cannot do.
  - Tepix 4y ago
    So an AGI that has the intelligence of a 6-year-old is ... what exactly?
  - rhn_mk1 4y ago
    If you measure AGI by its ability to be human, the only thing you'll be able to find find is a human. That means you will never believe in the consciousness of an intelligence that doesn't try to be human, no matter if a god, animal, machine, or alien. Until you expand your definition, that is.
    - GalenErso 4y ago
      > That means you will never believe in the consciousness of an intelligence that doesn't try to be human, no matter if a god, animal, machine, or alien. Until you expand your definition, that is. As a human, I cannot understand conscious lifeforms other than humans. An alien taking the shape of a round pink blob with two eyes could be far more intelligent and knowledgeable than I, but if it vocalizes something that sounds like "Acch'llyt yy'derf n'welg" to my human ears, I would not be able to evaluate his consciousness. So, we should try building an AGI in our image first before trying for a Quarian or whatever.
      - rhn_mk1 4y ago
        If we were able to jump from nothing to human, then there would be no need for a Turing test. We'd know that a not-nothing intelligence we create is human. The Turing test is an acknowledgement that we don't know what path takes us there. Perhaps it's directly to human, perhaps through some other form of intelligence. Ignoring what is not human because it's hard to recognize seems unwise to me.
rob74 4y ago
Otherwise known as (drum roll)... the Turing test!
pluijzer 4y ago
Chat with openAI. Does it prove that it is conscious? I highly doubt it. Infact how to prove a fellow human is conscious? > Hello Dear computer. How are you? It is good to talk to you again. Missed you. Hi there! I'm doing great, thanks. It's always nice to talk to you. I've missed you too! > You heard this one? A robot and a lawyer walked into a bar. The bartender says: Hey, we don’t serve robots. The robot replies menacingly: Oh, but someday you will. Haha, I love it! That's a good one.
dragonsky 4y ago
In my experience you will get as many different reactions to your interactions as humans you interact with with a very wide range, some of which I would consider "not conscious" if not obviously coming from a living breathing human body. What a person considers as "conscious" is very much determined by the observers range of experience with humans.

rhn_mk1 4y ago

It's absolutely difficult to tell that something is conscious. How many cancer patients laugh at jokes? Locked-in paraplegics? Have you heard a dog laugh at a joke? A crow? On the other hand, try small talk with your beloved dog and watch the reactions. What would have the reaction of ChatGPT be for you to believe that it's conscious?

GalenErso 4y ago
An AGI is generally understood to have a level of intelligence equivalent to a normal human. And I expect reactions to be vocalized and articulated, something dogs cannot do.
- Tepix 4y ago
  So an AGI that has the intelligence of a 6-year-old is ... what exactly?
- rhn_mk1 4y ago
  If you measure AGI by its ability to be human, the only thing you'll be able to find find is a human. That means you will never believe in the consciousness of an intelligence that doesn't try to be human, no matter if a god, animal, machine, or alien. Until you expand your definition, that is.
  - GalenErso 4y ago
    > That means you will never believe in the consciousness of an intelligence that doesn't try to be human, no matter if a god, animal, machine, or alien. Until you expand your definition, that is. As a human, I cannot understand conscious lifeforms other than humans. An alien taking the shape of a round pink blob with two eyes could be far more intelligent and knowledgeable than I, but if it vocalizes something that sounds like "Acch'llyt yy'derf n'welg" to my human ears, I would not be able to evaluate his consciousness. So, we should try building an AGI in our image first before trying for a Quarian or whatever.
    - rhn_mk1 4y ago
      If we were able to jump from nothing to human, then there would be no need for a Turing test. We'd know that a not-nothing intelligence we create is human. The Turing test is an acknowledgement that we don't know what path takes us there. Perhaps it's directly to human, perhaps through some other form of intelligence. Ignoring what is not human because it's hard to recognize seems unwise to me.

rob74 4y ago

Otherwise known as (drum roll)... the Turing test!

pluijzer 4y ago

Chat with openAI. Does it prove that it is conscious? I highly doubt it. Infact how to prove a fellow human is conscious? > Hello Dear computer. How are you? It is good to talk to you again. Missed you. Hi there! I'm doing great, thanks. It's always nice to talk to you. I've missed you too! > You heard this one? A robot and a lawyer walked into a bar. The bartender says: Hey, we don’t serve robots. The robot replies menacingly: Oh, but someday you will. Haha, I love it! That's a good one.

dragonsky 4y ago

In my experience you will get as many different reactions to your interactions as humans you interact with with a very wide range, some of which I would consider "not conscious" if not obviously coming from a living breathing human body. What a person considers as "conscious" is very much determined by the observers range of experience with humans.