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To be sure, most people who got successful don't really understand how they got there. Most of the time they think they do but then what really happens is they

To be sure, most people who got successful don't really understand how they got there. Most of the time they think they do but then what really happens is they are rationalising and/or using circular logic. Don't get me wrong, they most likely put a lot of work in and most likely did a lot of things right but deep understanding of it is not necessary for success.

Jolter 4y ago
PT Barnum got where he got by being a good bullshitter. I think he was well aware of it, and I think he was smart enough not to put that in writing.
- cm2012 4y ago
  If you read the book he's very open about being a bullshitter!
lisper 4y ago
I understand perfectly well how I achieved success: a little bit of work and a whole lot of luck, mainly in the form of being in the right place at the right time on more than one occasion. The problem is not that this is hard to understand, the problem is that it is hard to replicate, even for me.
- scrapcode 4y ago
  I agree a lot with this - but I also think many underestimate their ability to recognize when they are in the right place at the right time and take an action, as little as it might be, in the right direction. Of course, the action being taken ending up being the right one may entail plenty of luck in and of itself.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    It might be as simple as "whatever I was interested in as a kid happened to also make good money", which in itself is luck but also requires a bunch of work to action on it. But as you already like the thing it doesn't feel like you put the work, it was just "the fun stuff I liked to do happened to be profitable", even if it required just as much work as anything else
    - lisper 4y ago
      > whatever I was interested in as a kid happened to also make good money Yep, a lot of this. But also a lot of getting dragged kicking and screaming into situations that turned out to be really great.
  - SuoDuanDao 4y ago
    I love the theory about four types of luck. Blind luck: You're walking and find money on the ground. Luck of activity: You go walking a lot, if there's money on the ground you're likely to walk by it. Luck of optimism: You know you're lucky, so you're always looking for confirming evidence. If you walk by money you're likely to notice. Luck of eccentricity: You don't walk along the same paths as other people. If there's money on the ground, you're likely going to be the first to walk by it.
revskill 4y ago
Can you define "success" ? Was all poor artists who died in poverty successful in the past ?
- twawaaay 4y ago
  Successful person is one that is able to achieve their goals that they deem worthy. That's it. If you set out on doing something you would be proud of if you did and then achieve it, you are successful.
lordswork 4y ago
Not that I disagree, but how can you be confident that this is the case? Have there been studies on this topic?
ransom1538 4y ago
"To be sure, most people who got successful don't really understand how they got there." IMHO: Wrong. "People that win the super bowl didn't just show up. It was intentional."
- deleted 4y ago
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- c22 4y ago
  But lots of people who don't win the superbowl do all the same things.
ChildOfChaos 4y ago
Interestingly, I read that is why Reason exists anyway as per evolution, source for this is a book called The Enigma of reason. Basically, through evolution, our ability to 'Reason' is basically to provide excuses for things that sound plausible or are beneficial to us, it came about as we began to communicate, we needed to explain our actions. When viewed through this lens, it makes a lot of sense that this is basically all that is happening here and perhaps all that is ever happening, the problem then becomes that we don't realise this and our logical thinking becomes an exercise of reading other peoples 'excuses'. People explaining things, is just people giving reasons for them, but it is a reason that sounds plausible after the fact it happened and not necessary why it actually happened in the first place.
jollofricepeas 4y ago
This is accurate for people without a long-term track record of success. One hit wonders. But for others, it’s the same stuff that great entrepreneurs always say… - luck: having a great team with the right skills - luck: being in the right place at the right time - resources/luck: having enough capital to realize an opportunity - focus/discipline: being able to focus on 1-2 things and disciplined enough not to pick up other items - moral fortitude: it’s hard to be successful in business long-term while being a full-time crook

Jolter 4y ago

PT Barnum got where he got by being a good bullshitter. I think he was well aware of it, and I think he was smart enough not to put that in writing.

cm2012 4y ago
If you read the book he's very open about being a bullshitter!

lisper 4y ago

I understand perfectly well how I achieved success: a little bit of work and a whole lot of luck, mainly in the form of being in the right place at the right time on more than one occasion. The problem is not that this is hard to understand, the problem is that it is hard to replicate, even for me.

scrapcode 4y ago
I agree a lot with this - but I also think many underestimate their ability to recognize when they are in the right place at the right time and take an action, as little as it might be, in the right direction. Of course, the action being taken ending up being the right one may entail plenty of luck in and of itself.
- ilyt 4y ago
  It might be as simple as "whatever I was interested in as a kid happened to also make good money", which in itself is luck but also requires a bunch of work to action on it. But as you already like the thing it doesn't feel like you put the work, it was just "the fun stuff I liked to do happened to be profitable", even if it required just as much work as anything else
  - lisper 4y ago
    > whatever I was interested in as a kid happened to also make good money Yep, a lot of this. But also a lot of getting dragged kicking and screaming into situations that turned out to be really great.
- SuoDuanDao 4y ago
  I love the theory about four types of luck. Blind luck: You're walking and find money on the ground. Luck of activity: You go walking a lot, if there's money on the ground you're likely to walk by it. Luck of optimism: You know you're lucky, so you're always looking for confirming evidence. If you walk by money you're likely to notice. Luck of eccentricity: You don't walk along the same paths as other people. If there's money on the ground, you're likely going to be the first to walk by it.

revskill 4y ago

Can you define "success" ? Was all poor artists who died in poverty successful in the past ?

twawaaay 4y ago
Successful person is one that is able to achieve their goals that they deem worthy. That's it. If you set out on doing something you would be proud of if you did and then achieve it, you are successful.

lordswork 4y ago

Not that I disagree, but how can you be confident that this is the case? Have there been studies on this topic?

ransom1538 4y ago

"To be sure, most people who got successful don't really understand how they got there." IMHO: Wrong. "People that win the super bowl didn't just show up. It was intentional."

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c22 4y ago
But lots of people who don't win the superbowl do all the same things.

ChildOfChaos 4y ago

Interestingly, I read that is why Reason exists anyway as per evolution, source for this is a book called The Enigma of reason. Basically, through evolution, our ability to 'Reason' is basically to provide excuses for things that sound plausible or are beneficial to us, it came about as we began to communicate, we needed to explain our actions. When viewed through this lens, it makes a lot of sense that this is basically all that is happening here and perhaps all that is ever happening, the problem then becomes that we don't realise this and our logical thinking becomes an exercise of reading other peoples 'excuses'. People explaining things, is just people giving reasons for them, but it is a reason that sounds plausible after the fact it happened and not necessary why it actually happened in the first place.

jollofricepeas 4y ago

This is accurate for people without a long-term track record of success. One hit wonders. But for others, it’s the same stuff that great entrepreneurs always say… - luck: having a great team with the right skills - luck: being in the right place at the right time - resources/luck: having enough capital to realize an opportunity - focus/discipline: being able to focus on 1-2 things and disciplined enough not to pick up other items - moral fortitude: it’s hard to be successful in business long-term while being a full-time crook