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- Image based installs (this is actually pretty huge, it means you can recover an existing system very easily, and nothing like it exists in the linux world) -

- Image based installs (this is actually pretty huge, it means you can recover an existing system very easily, and nothing like it exists in the linux world) - HDR support. Full stop. - Multi monitor / multi resolution support (yes, they support it on paper but in reality it's lacking) - Multi vendor GPU support - my igr is amd, my external is nvidia - Hibernate mode (very rough support on linux, still even today!) - I have never gotten video to play without tearing, over 15 solid years of using linux on the desktop as a side box on bare metal. Please someone tell me what I'm doing wrong. - Thunderbolt networking - I recently installed ubuntu lts and then ran updates, and then the machine refused to boot. That was very cool! and as far as niceties go, Win11 adds excellent tiling support, a better control panel, better network drive integration, and a more clear filesystem exposure for devices - network or otherwise. I have a very long list of additional deficiencies. And yes, I am very disappointed with Win11. I'm still on 10 for my main machine. I keep giving desktop linux a shot and running into massive, deal-breaking issues. Frankly, I'm sick of microsoft's incompetence but their technical foundation is still, even now, strong than desktop linux's. I would like nothing more than to ditch microsoft, but every time I try, it's nothing but dead ends. I use ubuntu via VM frequently, including hosting my dev env - I wish it was the host. FWIW my second machine is a ubuntu lts desktop machine, I have only had a few dist upgrades work flawlessly in my 15 years of running it. I gave up a long time ago and blow it away when LTS support ends.

goosedragons 4y ago
Some of these are Nvidia issues. HDR and TB networking are valid, I forgot about HDR since my monitor is so bad at it that it was a must turn off feature that actively ruins the experience rather than enhance it. For image based installs, it is possible to customize distro installers. Cubic is a tool to do so for Ubuntu/Debian based distros for example. And with NixOS or Guix you can do some pretty crazy stuff which don't have any compliment in the Windows world.
- parker_mountain 4y ago
  > Some of these are Nvidia issues As unfair as it seems, they are desktop linux issues, not Nvidia issues. If your OS does not work with the most popular discrete graphics solution, it's a "you" problem. Like I said, completely unfair :) Speaking of which, the windows graphics subsystem is light years ahead of anything on the linux desktop. It can handle a driver AND card kernel crash, restart the card, and your system keeps running. It's actually very impressive. > Cubic That is installing with a disk image, which is a different thing than an image based install (Windows DISM). > NixOS or Guix This is much closer to the reproducible install mechanism windows has, although still has some key deficiencies (and key benefits that windows doesn't have!). I think this is the future, but IME is not completely ready for casual desktop use.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    Modern MacOS has zero support for Nvidia even in their $6000+ desktop with PCIe slots but nobody says shit like "it's not ready for prime time". I don't think it's fair to penalize Linux for Nvidia being shoddy at drivers and not playing ball.
    - parker_mountain 4y ago
      If you say you support PCs, and your support for the most common configurations is lacking, then it's your problem. If I owe the bank $1000, it's my problem. If I owe the bank $1,000,000,000, then it's their problem. Apple is a terrible example to use. Apple does not play that game, it's very clear going in that you're buying more of an appliance. Also, that $6000+ desktop is literally the last of their lineup on Intel and is clearly on its way out - it will probably be replaced by something without PCIe. Not saying if that's good or bad, just that it's Apple. Personally, I think it's quite bad, though...
PenguinCoder 4y ago
> Image based installs That would be a great benefit, agreed. But not a current utter show stopper. > I have never gotten video to play without tearing, over 15 solid years of using linux on the desktop as a side box on bare metal. Please someone tell me what I'm doing wrong. Selection of a properly supported GPU and their capable drivers? I play various video formats be it browser based (Youtube, Netflix, Jellyfin, etc) or VLC/file based without any video tearing. Although, I don't ever try to play fullscreen so maybe that has something to do with it.
- parker_mountain 4y ago
  I gave you a whole list of issues, and you address two of them - one of which is actually a huge boon to system stability and update stability. The other, you say "never tried it".
  - PenguinCoder 4y ago
    Because I don't speak on things I don't know or have any experience with. Easy concept.

goosedragons 4y ago

Some of these are Nvidia issues. HDR and TB networking are valid, I forgot about HDR since my monitor is so bad at it that it was a must turn off feature that actively ruins the experience rather than enhance it. For image based installs, it is possible to customize distro installers. Cubic is a tool to do so for Ubuntu/Debian based distros for example. And with NixOS or Guix you can do some pretty crazy stuff which don't have any compliment in the Windows world.

parker_mountain 4y ago
> Some of these are Nvidia issues As unfair as it seems, they are desktop linux issues, not Nvidia issues. If your OS does not work with the most popular discrete graphics solution, it's a "you" problem. Like I said, completely unfair :) Speaking of which, the windows graphics subsystem is light years ahead of anything on the linux desktop. It can handle a driver AND card kernel crash, restart the card, and your system keeps running. It's actually very impressive. > Cubic That is installing with a disk image, which is a different thing than an image based install (Windows DISM). > NixOS or Guix This is much closer to the reproducible install mechanism windows has, although still has some key deficiencies (and key benefits that windows doesn't have!). I think this is the future, but IME is not completely ready for casual desktop use.
- goosedragons 4y ago
  Modern MacOS has zero support for Nvidia even in their $6000+ desktop with PCIe slots but nobody says shit like "it's not ready for prime time". I don't think it's fair to penalize Linux for Nvidia being shoddy at drivers and not playing ball.
  - parker_mountain 4y ago
    If you say you support PCs, and your support for the most common configurations is lacking, then it's your problem. If I owe the bank $1000, it's my problem. If I owe the bank $1,000,000,000, then it's their problem. Apple is a terrible example to use. Apple does not play that game, it's very clear going in that you're buying more of an appliance. Also, that $6000+ desktop is literally the last of their lineup on Intel and is clearly on its way out - it will probably be replaced by something without PCIe. Not saying if that's good or bad, just that it's Apple. Personally, I think it's quite bad, though...

PenguinCoder 4y ago

> Image based installs That would be a great benefit, agreed. But not a current utter show stopper. > I have never gotten video to play without tearing, over 15 solid years of using linux on the desktop as a side box on bare metal. Please someone tell me what I'm doing wrong. Selection of a properly supported GPU and their capable drivers? I play various video formats be it browser based (Youtube, Netflix, Jellyfin, etc) or VLC/file based without any video tearing. Although, I don't ever try to play fullscreen so maybe that has something to do with it.

parker_mountain 4y ago
I gave you a whole list of issues, and you address two of them - one of which is actually a huge boon to system stability and update stability. The other, you say "never tried it".
- PenguinCoder 4y ago
  Because I don't speak on things I don't know or have any experience with. Easy concept.