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Average? Great great place to stop for gas so you can drive as you fast as you want

gggggg5 4y ago
If you're going to go through that kind of trouble, you might as well just register your car in a different country and ignore the cameras.
- aeno 4y ago
  At least if your car is registered in a European Union country, you will still get a ticket. It takes some days, but eventually it will appear in your mailbox at home. You could get away with simply not paying, as collection would be too much of a hassle. But they'll note your plates and the next time you're back into Norway and your plate gets scanned, they might visit you right on the spot to collect your debts.
  - gggggg5 4y ago
    The magic solution to this is to have the car owned by some legal entity which is not the driver. Fines might arrive, but you can wipe your ass with them. There might be fines associated with the plates, but fines are the responsibility of the driver and not the owner. Even if the cops were able to ID as you the driver in those previous incidents, they would not be able to seize the car (not that this would generally be possible without an extensive legal process anyway). And FWIW in the case of Norway, you will never get stopped for having unpaid fines.
  - jabl 4y ago
    Yup, that kind of thing can happen. Many years ago I was in Norway with a friend, and a truck cut a corner on the road and scraped the side of my friends car. The truck driver refused any responsibility (evidently because we were tourists, and he knew we weren't gonna stay in Norway to drive claims against him), but we took pictures and all the details etc. Insurance paid for the repairs to the car, and apparently the insurance company arranged for an outstanding warrant on the truck/driver, and several years later my friend got a notice from the insurance company that the truck driver had been detained upon entering Finland and forced to pay.
    - gggggg5 4y ago
      The big thing here is that the driver was identified, you got his details. Same thing does not really happen with camera-issued fines, even if technically feasible given a good quality picture of the drivers face.
      - iso1631 4y ago
        In the UK and I assume much of Europe, the registered keeper of the car gets the ticket, they have to identifty the driver. If they refuse to identify the driver then they get a separate punishment which is about the same as the speeding ticket.
        gggggg5 4y ago
        UK doesn't even send driver identification letters to keepers of foreign registered vehicles due to jurisdictional issues. They just sell the data to a private company that sends intimidating TV licensing-esque letters (but not actual invoices!) in the hopes of getting paid. >If they refuse to identify the driver then they get a separate punishment which is about the same as the speeding ticket. This doesn't work unless the keeper is UK based.
  - bradknowles 4y ago
    When my wife and I were living in Brussels, Belgium but I was working for a Dutch consulting company in Veldhoven, Netherlands, on one occasion I got caught by a speed trap outside of Antwerp. The Antwerp police had to send the ticket to the Netherlands, because that's where the car was registered. Which took some time to go through the political process. But the car was a lease, so the police had to re-send the ticket to the company I was working for. Which took some more time. Then the company pointed out that I lived in Brussels, so the police had to re-send the ticket again. Which took even more time. I finally got the ticket more than a year after the event, and I went down to the local police station to find out what I had to do. The local Brussels police took the ticket and looked it up in their systems, and finally told me that the ticket was expired and had not been sent to me in time (there is apparently a one year grace period), and so I didn't need to do anything at all.
    - gggggg5 4y ago
      And at many points in that process the company which received the fine could've replied with "It's not our problem to help foreign law enforcement figure out who was driving" Dutch LE doesn't have any tools to compel entities outside of their jurisdiction to provide such data.
gambiting 4y ago
If you feel confident in your calculations, sure. I've seen the same argument in average speed zones in UK - "in theory" if there's heavy traffic and you go slower than 70mph for a good while, when the traffic clears up you should be able to go much faster and not get a ticket, right? Well, it's not so simple, because the "average" calculation can be done over small stretches instead of the whole big stretch(so if there are 12 cameras on the stretch, the average might be taken from the first 4, then next 4 then next 4 - so it's not so easy to avoid being charged for speeding). The easiest way around it is to....just not speed.
lm28469 4y ago
We have some in france, mostly on highways with lots of tunnels. Feel free to stop on the emergency lane or in a tunnel, I'm sure the ticket will be as bad if not worse.

If you're going to go through that kind of trouble, you might as well just register your car in a different country and ignore the cameras.

aeno 4y ago
At least if your car is registered in a European Union country, you will still get a ticket. It takes some days, but eventually it will appear in your mailbox at home. You could get away with simply not paying, as collection would be too much of a hassle. But they'll note your plates and the next time you're back into Norway and your plate gets scanned, they might visit you right on the spot to collect your debts.
- gggggg5 4y ago
  The magic solution to this is to have the car owned by some legal entity which is not the driver. Fines might arrive, but you can wipe your ass with them. There might be fines associated with the plates, but fines are the responsibility of the driver and not the owner. Even if the cops were able to ID as you the driver in those previous incidents, they would not be able to seize the car (not that this would generally be possible without an extensive legal process anyway). And FWIW in the case of Norway, you will never get stopped for having unpaid fines.
- jabl 4y ago
  Yup, that kind of thing can happen. Many years ago I was in Norway with a friend, and a truck cut a corner on the road and scraped the side of my friends car. The truck driver refused any responsibility (evidently because we were tourists, and he knew we weren't gonna stay in Norway to drive claims against him), but we took pictures and all the details etc. Insurance paid for the repairs to the car, and apparently the insurance company arranged for an outstanding warrant on the truck/driver, and several years later my friend got a notice from the insurance company that the truck driver had been detained upon entering Finland and forced to pay.
  - gggggg5 4y ago
    The big thing here is that the driver was identified, you got his details. Same thing does not really happen with camera-issued fines, even if technically feasible given a good quality picture of the drivers face.
    - iso1631 4y ago
      In the UK and I assume much of Europe, the registered keeper of the car gets the ticket, they have to identifty the driver. If they refuse to identify the driver then they get a separate punishment which is about the same as the speeding ticket.
      - gggggg5 4y ago
        UK doesn't even send driver identification letters to keepers of foreign registered vehicles due to jurisdictional issues. They just sell the data to a private company that sends intimidating TV licensing-esque letters (but not actual invoices!) in the hopes of getting paid. >If they refuse to identify the driver then they get a separate punishment which is about the same as the speeding ticket. This doesn't work unless the keeper is UK based.
- bradknowles 4y ago
  When my wife and I were living in Brussels, Belgium but I was working for a Dutch consulting company in Veldhoven, Netherlands, on one occasion I got caught by a speed trap outside of Antwerp. The Antwerp police had to send the ticket to the Netherlands, because that's where the car was registered. Which took some time to go through the political process. But the car was a lease, so the police had to re-send the ticket to the company I was working for. Which took some more time. Then the company pointed out that I lived in Brussels, so the police had to re-send the ticket again. Which took even more time. I finally got the ticket more than a year after the event, and I went down to the local police station to find out what I had to do. The local Brussels police took the ticket and looked it up in their systems, and finally told me that the ticket was expired and had not been sent to me in time (there is apparently a one year grace period), and so I didn't need to do anything at all.
  - gggggg5 4y ago
    And at many points in that process the company which received the fine could've replied with "It's not our problem to help foreign law enforcement figure out who was driving" Dutch LE doesn't have any tools to compel entities outside of their jurisdiction to provide such data.

gambiting 4y ago

If you feel confident in your calculations, sure. I've seen the same argument in average speed zones in UK - "in theory" if there's heavy traffic and you go slower than 70mph for a good while, when the traffic clears up you should be able to go much faster and not get a ticket, right? Well, it's not so simple, because the "average" calculation can be done over small stretches instead of the whole big stretch(so if there are 12 cameras on the stretch, the average might be taken from the first 4, then next 4 then next 4 - so it's not so easy to avoid being charged for speeding). The easiest way around it is to....just not speed.

lm28469 4y ago

We have some in france, mostly on highways with lots of tunnels. Feel free to stop on the emergency lane or in a tunnel, I'm sure the ticket will be as bad if not worse.