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This is very serious. JWZ also provides some very colorful images if you link to his site from here. I think "techbro man children" is his commentary. And fro

This is very serious. JWZ also provides some very colorful images if you link to his site from here. I think "techbro man children" is his commentary. And from Twitter before the fall, HN was known for alt-right hard libertarian hypercapitalist hellscape. So having this person be hard negative here is not at all surprising.

slenk 4y ago
Calling me a bad person because I occasionally interact with Hacker News is pretty surprising though. Nevermind her implications that I would be racist as well. As much of a childish reaction as I feel her response is because she saw HN in site stats, I instantly won't read won't she wrote because of that.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  Oh that's totally normal for people like that. There is an ambient assumption that everyone other than them is an empty vessel, waiting to be filled up by whoever happens to randomly pass by on that day, so if A is seen anywhere in the vicinity of B, then A must automatically have the same views as B, and that applies transitively to B and C and then C and D and so on ad infinitum. The only people immune to this are the woke who, of course, develop all their ideas independently and are totally immune from persuasion of any kind. That's what she means by "nazis at the bar". It's some woke meme that says it's not possible to discuss anything with people who you disagree with, because you'll instantly become exactly like them. That's all craziness of course - some sort of personality disorder in which basic empathy is lost and the way other people's minds work is badly misunderstood. These sort of people can be dangerous to those around them, and probably need psychiatric help, but it's not formally recognized as a disorder.
  - stonogo 4y ago
    You've completely misinterpreted the point of "nazis at the bar." The point of the story is that if you tolerate assholes in a space, that space will become famous amongst assholes for being a safe space for assholery. Nobody "becomes exactly like" anybody, but the people who do not like assholes stop coming around, while the assholes keep coming, so eventually the space is just entirely asshole-occupied. Naziism is used as a signal that this is not regarding "people who you disagree with"; civilized people don't regard Naziism as a valid topic for disagreement -- and the war about that has been over for decades.
    - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
      "Naziism is used as a signal that this is not regarding "people who you disagree with" Yeah no, that's exactly what this is regarding. Anyone who doesn't think exactly like me is a Nazi and because you tolerate people that don't think exactly like me you're a Nazi too.
      - stonogo 4y ago
        How is that any different than "anyone who doesn't think exactly like me is woke and dangerous to others?" I have to wonder if you're deliberately misinterpreting the parable just to give yourself more ammo in this culture war you seem to be fighting. The plain and simple fact is that different communities have different threshholds for what sorts of opinions they find acceptable. The person who posted the article considers Hacker News to accomodate unacceptable opinions. Instead of just noting that fact and moving on, you've decided to get angry on the internet about "woke people." It's really weird, since their opinion doesn't affect you or Hacker News in the slightest. So, what's the problem here? A blogger is mean?
        ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
        Anyone that unironically calls someone else a Nazi is someone that I do not want to engage in conversation with.
    - fidgewidge 4y ago
      > civilized people don't regard Naziism as a valid topic for disagreement see how fluidly you move between naziism as an analogy and asserting that it has a literal meaning such that the "war" about that has been over for decades? nobody here is a literal nazi not even close, so this whole argument is meaningless. > the people who do not like assholes stop coming around the whole point is that actually no, it is possible for people to strongly disagree yet stay talking and adults do so all the time.
      - tarotuser 4y ago

slenk 4y ago

Calling me a bad person because I occasionally interact with Hacker News is pretty surprising though. Nevermind her implications that I would be racist as well. As much of a childish reaction as I feel her response is because she saw HN in site stats, I instantly won't read won't she wrote because of that.

fidgewidge 4y ago
Oh that's totally normal for people like that. There is an ambient assumption that everyone other than them is an empty vessel, waiting to be filled up by whoever happens to randomly pass by on that day, so if A is seen anywhere in the vicinity of B, then A must automatically have the same views as B, and that applies transitively to B and C and then C and D and so on ad infinitum. The only people immune to this are the woke who, of course, develop all their ideas independently and are totally immune from persuasion of any kind. That's what she means by "nazis at the bar". It's some woke meme that says it's not possible to discuss anything with people who you disagree with, because you'll instantly become exactly like them. That's all craziness of course - some sort of personality disorder in which basic empathy is lost and the way other people's minds work is badly misunderstood. These sort of people can be dangerous to those around them, and probably need psychiatric help, but it's not formally recognized as a disorder.
- stonogo 4y ago
  You've completely misinterpreted the point of "nazis at the bar." The point of the story is that if you tolerate assholes in a space, that space will become famous amongst assholes for being a safe space for assholery. Nobody "becomes exactly like" anybody, but the people who do not like assholes stop coming around, while the assholes keep coming, so eventually the space is just entirely asshole-occupied. Naziism is used as a signal that this is not regarding "people who you disagree with"; civilized people don't regard Naziism as a valid topic for disagreement -- and the war about that has been over for decades.
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
    "Naziism is used as a signal that this is not regarding "people who you disagree with" Yeah no, that's exactly what this is regarding. Anyone who doesn't think exactly like me is a Nazi and because you tolerate people that don't think exactly like me you're a Nazi too.
    - stonogo 4y ago
      How is that any different than "anyone who doesn't think exactly like me is woke and dangerous to others?" I have to wonder if you're deliberately misinterpreting the parable just to give yourself more ammo in this culture war you seem to be fighting. The plain and simple fact is that different communities have different threshholds for what sorts of opinions they find acceptable. The person who posted the article considers Hacker News to accomodate unacceptable opinions. Instead of just noting that fact and moving on, you've decided to get angry on the internet about "woke people." It's really weird, since their opinion doesn't affect you or Hacker News in the slightest. So, what's the problem here? A blogger is mean?
      - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
        Anyone that unironically calls someone else a Nazi is someone that I do not want to engage in conversation with.
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    > civilized people don't regard Naziism as a valid topic for disagreement see how fluidly you move between naziism as an analogy and asserting that it has a literal meaning such that the "war" about that has been over for decades? nobody here is a literal nazi not even close, so this whole argument is meaningless. > the people who do not like assholes stop coming around the whole point is that actually no, it is possible for people to strongly disagree yet stay talking and adults do so all the time.
    - tarotuser 4y ago