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Have a nice day.

by javajosh 4y ago

Have a nice day.

bavent 4y ago
People disagreeing with you is not censorship. We can all still see your comment.
- wholinator2 4y ago
  I don't want to involve myself in this argument but I will say that I can not see their original post. It displays as just "[flagged]" for me. I don't know if that's the app I'm using or what, but I cannot see the post.
  - bavent 4y ago
    Really? I see the "[flagged]", and the post, it's just slightly dimmer and I had to manually open it. I'm using no special extensions or anything, just a normal browser.
    - cldellow 4y ago
      There is a stage past [flagged] where a post can also be [dead]. You only see dead posts if you have showdead=yes in your settings. So you may have seen their comment before it was killed, or you may have showdead=yes in your settings.
howinteresting 4y ago
Going back to your original post: >Anyone who doesn't have the capacity to accept being called any pronoun has a mental health problem. By this metric the vast majority of humanity has a mental health problem, and you're an exception. Most cis, het men do not like to be called she or a girl.
- wpietri 4y ago
  Yeah, that's pretty special. Personally as a cis nerd, I find the neurotypical obsession with gender roles pretty weird. I think we would be healthier if there were less of it, and like that we seem to be heading that way. But I don't think that makes everybody mentally ill.
  - howinteresting 4y ago
    Worth drawing a distinction between gender roles, which are mostly "socially constructed", and gender identity, which is someone's inherent sense of their gender (with a strong biological component). Gender identity is an essential part of what makes us human. Some people have a stronger sense of it than others. To the extent that mental illness describes an actual objective thing, having a gender identity does not make someone mentally ill, because it doesn't by itself disrupt one's healthy functioning in society. It is when that gender identity is invalidated by others that it can affect people's mental health (just like calling someone a slur or insulting them can affect their mental health). It is still not an illness, though.
wpietri 4y ago
It looks like you posted a strident reply and then replaced it with something anodyne. Given that people have already replied, that strikes me as both rude and confusing. Just so everybody knows the edit history, here is your original comment: ---- >At least it got flagged! Ah yes, censorship is good when it is an opinion you do not share, right? That I was flagged is wrong on the part of hacker news, and whoever got that ball rolling. >All moral codes have a "coercive" element to them Coercion is good too. Are you sure you're not the baddie here? Are you really sure? >as a thoroughgoing nerd, I spent a lot of my childhood getting shit on for being different, so I'm happy to help make space for different kinds of difference. Another popular strawman. I stated explicitly "live how you want" and yet you assert that I'm against difference or outcasts. You lied. >trans folks have a pretty hard role in life I'm speaking specifically of custom pronouns. If you cut off your junk and wear a dress, I think its rude not to call you "she". It is a shitty kind of idea that encourages people to introduce new error modes into their relationships, and the bitter irony is you think you're doing people a favor by doing that.

Have a nice day.

bavent 4y ago

People disagreeing with you is not censorship. We can all still see your comment.

wholinator2 4y ago
I don't want to involve myself in this argument but I will say that I can not see their original post. It displays as just "[flagged]" for me. I don't know if that's the app I'm using or what, but I cannot see the post.
- bavent 4y ago
  Really? I see the "[flagged]", and the post, it's just slightly dimmer and I had to manually open it. I'm using no special extensions or anything, just a normal browser.
  - cldellow 4y ago
    There is a stage past [flagged] where a post can also be [dead]. You only see dead posts if you have showdead=yes in your settings. So you may have seen their comment before it was killed, or you may have showdead=yes in your settings.

howinteresting 4y ago

Going back to your original post: >Anyone who doesn't have the capacity to accept being called any pronoun has a mental health problem. By this metric the vast majority of humanity has a mental health problem, and you're an exception. Most cis, het men do not like to be called she or a girl.

wpietri 4y ago
Yeah, that's pretty special. Personally as a cis nerd, I find the neurotypical obsession with gender roles pretty weird. I think we would be healthier if there were less of it, and like that we seem to be heading that way. But I don't think that makes everybody mentally ill.
- howinteresting 4y ago
  Worth drawing a distinction between gender roles, which are mostly "socially constructed", and gender identity, which is someone's inherent sense of their gender (with a strong biological component). Gender identity is an essential part of what makes us human. Some people have a stronger sense of it than others. To the extent that mental illness describes an actual objective thing, having a gender identity does not make someone mentally ill, because it doesn't by itself disrupt one's healthy functioning in society. It is when that gender identity is invalidated by others that it can affect people's mental health (just like calling someone a slur or insulting them can affect their mental health). It is still not an illness, though.

wpietri 4y ago

It looks like you posted a strident reply and then replaced it with something anodyne. Given that people have already replied, that strikes me as both rude and confusing. Just so everybody knows the edit history, here is your original comment: ---- >At least it got flagged! Ah yes, censorship is good when it is an opinion you do not share, right? That I was flagged is wrong on the part of hacker news, and whoever got that ball rolling. >All moral codes have a "coercive" element to them Coercion is good too. Are you sure you're not the baddie here? Are you really sure? >as a thoroughgoing nerd, I spent a lot of my childhood getting shit on for being different, so I'm happy to help make space for different kinds of difference. Another popular strawman. I stated explicitly "live how you want" and yet you assert that I'm against difference or outcasts. You lied. >trans folks have a pretty hard role in life I'm speaking specifically of custom pronouns. If you cut off your junk and wear a dress, I think its rude not to call you "she". It is a shitty kind of idea that encourages people to introduce new error modes into their relationships, and the bitter irony is you think you're doing people a favor by doing that.