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> I don't respect people's pronoun preferences because that would be creating reasons to hate people This has got to be peak hacker news

• wpietri 4y ago
  At least it got flagged! But since I can't reply to it and put some effort into typing a reply, I hope you don't mind me dropping it below. --- What? I agree that for my tastes a lot of people take gender very seriously. But it seems wild to me to think this is somehow a new phenomenon. For millennia in many societies one's society-assigned gender determined a great deal about one's status, including what work you could do, what work you could do, and what sort of violence against you was acceptable. And in a lot of times and places, misgendering somebody was used as a deliberate insult and could even be seen as "fighting words", legitimate legal cause for violence. The only thing that has changed lately is a bit of individual freedom in picking that role for one's self. For those people, many consider it rude to ignore their choices, partly because of the history of gender, but partly because those people are targets of bigotry and violence. There's a whole list! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_bein... All moral codes have a "coercive" element to them, just like all legal codes do. If you're going to be rude, people may, gasp, say something about it. You trying to establish a different coercive moral code against that isn't somehow better. And getting all het up about it in this specific case, instead of all the other codes of politeness, suggests it's not really "coercive" morality you care about. Personally, it seems to me that trans folks have a pretty hard role in life. They always did, but now at least they're getting to be open about it. I'm glad to support them in that; calling them how they want to be called seems like literally the least I could do. Indeed, as a thoroughgoing nerd, I spent a lot of my childhood getting shit on for being different, so I'm happy to help make space for different kinds of difference.
  • javajosh 4y ago
    Have a nice day.
    • bavent 4y ago
      People disagreeing with you is not censorship. We can all still see your comment.
      • wholinator2 4y ago
        I don't want to involve myself in this argument but I will say that I can not see their original post. It displays as just "[flagged]" for me. I don't know if that's the app I'm using or what, but I cannot see the post.
        • bavent 4y ago
          Really? I see the "[flagged]", and the post, it's just slightly dimmer and I had to manually open it. I'm using no special extensions or anything, just a normal browser.
          • cldellow 4y ago
            There is a stage past [flagged] where a post can also be [dead]. You only see dead posts if you have showdead=yes in your settings. So you may have seen their comment before it was killed, or you may have showdead=yes in your settings.
    • howinteresting 4y ago
      Going back to your original post: >Anyone who doesn't have the capacity to accept being called any pronoun has a mental health problem. By this metric the vast majority of humanity has a mental health problem, and you're an exception. Most cis, het men do not like to be called she or a girl.
      • wpietri 4y ago
        Yeah, that's pretty special. Personally as a cis nerd, I find the neurotypical obsession with gender roles pretty weird. I think we would be healthier if there were less of it, and like that we seem to be heading that way. But I don't think that makes everybody mentally ill.