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To be honest, I expect Elon and Twitter will be discontinued at some point, without any good feelings and thanks on the part of any of their customers, unlike t

To be honest, I expect Elon and Twitter will be discontinued at some point, without any good feelings and thanks on the part of any of their customers, unlike the app developers Twitter just killed. What is needed is to do Twitter again, in some way that is more open and supportive of client apps, but still has the immediacy and global search that Twitter has. Mastodon has its uses, but it isn't a real replacement. Twitter was always a terrible business, but an incredibly useful idea. The idea needs to exist.

KerrAvon 4y ago
Any centralized, VC-backed service like Twitter is going to want to control the client UX. Seems like what you should be asking for is Mastodon, but with performance improvements and improved search.
- coldcode 4y ago
  Without centralized access to content, a distributed full search would seem unbearable slow at Twitter scale.
  - hugs_vs_toph 4y ago
    Remember the ancient times before chatgpt?
jaredcwhite 4y ago
"Mastodon has its uses, but it isn't a real replacement." Or the global community of people with some technical proficiency keeps developing Mastodon (or forks, or OSS replacements) so that it is a real replacement. My stance on future Twitter-like proprietary social networks is clear and unequivocal: Never again.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  > My stance on future Twitter-like proprietary social networks is clear and unequivocal: Never again. It’s ran for over a decade, not a bad run. I’d very much be surprised if Mastodon instances last that long. Decentralisation brings its own major issues, it’s not a silver bullet. Thinking that Mastodon-like services will take over is a pipe dream. Proprietary services aren’t inherently bad as long as their business model aligns with your interests. The problem is that the current business model of social media is “growth & engagement”, not actual money from end-users. This means the relationship between the provider and the user is always adversarial and there’s an incentive to pull tricks like this so you steer users back into the malicious, official client to collect more data and/or harass them with dark patterns. It is absolutely possible to build and operate a sustainable social media platform by charging a monthly token sum for the service. The only reason it’s not done nowadays is because there is no room for new players to enter - without interoperability either enforced by law (EU digital markets law?) or adversarial interoperability being made legal (the law is currently abused to prevent that), a new general-purpose social platform is a non-starter regardless of the underlying business model.
  - mindslight 4y ago
    > It’s ran for over a decade, not a bad run. How much captive audience whinging have we had to endure in that time? Twitter bans Joe Blow. Twitter should ban Joe Blow. Twitter shouldn't have banned Joe Blow. Twitter bans third party app. Twitter has too many bots. Twitter doesn't have enough bots. Twitter censors subject X. Twitter drowned a puppy (allegedly). Twitter releases feature Y (finally). Twitter demands phone numbers for better ad surveillance. Twitter makes new release that totally fucks over the way you use it. Twitter should support my desired usage pattern. Twitter stops software from working on older devices. And so on ad infinitum. The breath of fresh air, which is actually just how things were before the web 2.0 catastrophe, is that libre software and libre services escape that centralized crab bucket. If you want a feature go ahead and build it, or donate to those who did/will. Or just wait, because rather than being a tug of war over what one piece of software should do, many different ones can bloom. If you want the features a centralized service can bring, use a large server that implements them, which will develop over time. And if it turns out they just develop the same monetization pathologies that Twitter had, you can easily move on without changing everything. The less costs to switching there are, the easier it is to go your own way. That's the benefit of an open protocol.
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KerrAvon 4y ago

Any centralized, VC-backed service like Twitter is going to want to control the client UX. Seems like what you should be asking for is Mastodon, but with performance improvements and improved search.

coldcode 4y ago
Without centralized access to content, a distributed full search would seem unbearable slow at Twitter scale.
- hugs_vs_toph 4y ago
  Remember the ancient times before chatgpt?

jaredcwhite 4y ago

"Mastodon has its uses, but it isn't a real replacement." Or the global community of people with some technical proficiency keeps developing Mastodon (or forks, or OSS replacements) so that it is a real replacement. My stance on future Twitter-like proprietary social networks is clear and unequivocal: Never again.

Nextgrid 4y ago
> My stance on future Twitter-like proprietary social networks is clear and unequivocal: Never again. It’s ran for over a decade, not a bad run. I’d very much be surprised if Mastodon instances last that long. Decentralisation brings its own major issues, it’s not a silver bullet. Thinking that Mastodon-like services will take over is a pipe dream. Proprietary services aren’t inherently bad as long as their business model aligns with your interests. The problem is that the current business model of social media is “growth & engagement”, not actual money from end-users. This means the relationship between the provider and the user is always adversarial and there’s an incentive to pull tricks like this so you steer users back into the malicious, official client to collect more data and/or harass them with dark patterns. It is absolutely possible to build and operate a sustainable social media platform by charging a monthly token sum for the service. The only reason it’s not done nowadays is because there is no room for new players to enter - without interoperability either enforced by law (EU digital markets law?) or adversarial interoperability being made legal (the law is currently abused to prevent that), a new general-purpose social platform is a non-starter regardless of the underlying business model.
- mindslight 4y ago
  > It’s ran for over a decade, not a bad run. How much captive audience whinging have we had to endure in that time? Twitter bans Joe Blow. Twitter should ban Joe Blow. Twitter shouldn't have banned Joe Blow. Twitter bans third party app. Twitter has too many bots. Twitter doesn't have enough bots. Twitter censors subject X. Twitter drowned a puppy (allegedly). Twitter releases feature Y (finally). Twitter demands phone numbers for better ad surveillance. Twitter makes new release that totally fucks over the way you use it. Twitter should support my desired usage pattern. Twitter stops software from working on older devices. And so on ad infinitum. The breath of fresh air, which is actually just how things were before the web 2.0 catastrophe, is that libre software and libre services escape that centralized crab bucket. If you want a feature go ahead and build it, or donate to those who did/will. Or just wait, because rather than being a tug of war over what one piece of software should do, many different ones can bloom. If you want the features a centralized service can bring, use a large server that implements them, which will develop over time. And if it turns out they just develop the same monetization pathologies that Twitter had, you can easily move on without changing everything. The less costs to switching there are, the easier it is to go your own way. That's the benefit of an open protocol.

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