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We've done nothing, and we're all out of options, confused pikachu face. Though, personally I think this leak probably was good as it at least got public discou

We've done nothing, and we're all out of options, confused pikachu face. Though, personally I think this leak probably was good as it at least got public discourse going around the subject even though the justices ultimately went against public sentiment for reasons. I'm personally WAY more concerned about Justice Thomas and Ginny Thomas and their links to the insurrection attempt, and other undermining of democracy.

ribosometronome 4y ago
America hasn't been lacking in abortion discourse in awhile. The leak potentially effected the outcome of both the decision and November's election -- more undermining of democracy.
- kube-system 4y ago
  It certainly influenced the election and undermined the judiciary, but I'm not sure it undermined democracy.
  - irrational 4y ago
    For me, it mainly undermined my trust in the Supreme Court. I’d already lost trust in congress and the presidency. Now I have lost trust in all three branches of government. Complete corruption across the board.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      Power didn't start corrupting people yesterday. That sentiment is pretty much the entire reason why the US government was designed to have three branches that checks and balance each other. You don't need to trust anyone in particular if you can trust the process.
      - irrational 4y ago
        Well, I no longer trust the process. That was the basic meaning behind everyone is corrupt.
        kube-system 4y ago
        I understand, i’m saying I don’t think it’s reasonable to make that jump. The process has design features to specifically allow it to function even when run by corrupt people. That was the entire point, since the beginning.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      SCOTUS is the least democratic of the three branches of government. Trust in SCOTUS hardly qualifies as trust in "democracy" at all. Unless I guess you're using "democracy" in a sense that is synonymous with all aspects of American government, which would be a mistake.
  - _justinfunk 4y ago
    Are you all trying to make reference to the American Republic? We aren't a democracy, although our system does have democratic features.
econonut 4y ago
It is not the duty of the Supreme Court to follow public sentiment.
- bediger4000 4y ago
  Absolutely right! SCOTUS should continue to just call balls and strikes.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- matthewdgreen 4y ago
  It’s the duty of the court to maintain the public’s trust in the institution: without that trust the law doesn’t matter very much. This court has not been doing that very well, as evidenced by sharp changes in the opinion polling. This leak, evidence that justices are sharing unpublished opinions with interested parties, and the current weak-tea investigation are only part of the problem. But they’re big problems.
  - Alupis 4y ago
    The SCOTUS is not supposed to be swayed by public opinion. The only thing that is supposed to matter is the Constitution itself, and any amendments Congress has ratified along with case law, etc. ie. if you are upset by something SCOTUS didn't agree with you on - be mad at your Congresscritter - they are the only ones with the power to change the Constitution and law. However, there has been a growing push among some of our population that whatever is deemed popular today should be declared constitutional. That's just not how our system works - by design and for good reason. The founders went to great lengths to ensure a populism movement could not change our federal government on a whim. Populism movements, often based on emotional arguments rather than reality, change too rapidly and easily to form a stable platform for a long-lived government. The erosion of public trust in the institution that is the SCOTUS is based purely on populism movements of late. Without going into specifics - the particular issues that are said to be causing this alleged erosion of trust are simply not Constitutional issues. Yet, the people demand it be so regardless... kind of the hallmark of a modern populist movement.
pessimizer 4y ago
> I'm personally WAY more concerned about Justice Thomas and Ginny Thomas and their links to the insurrection attempt, and other undermining of democracy. I'm more concerned about global warming, but you can be concerned about more than one thing.

ribosometronome 4y ago

America hasn't been lacking in abortion discourse in awhile. The leak potentially effected the outcome of both the decision and November's election -- more undermining of democracy.

kube-system 4y ago
It certainly influenced the election and undermined the judiciary, but I'm not sure it undermined democracy.
- irrational 4y ago
  For me, it mainly undermined my trust in the Supreme Court. I’d already lost trust in congress and the presidency. Now I have lost trust in all three branches of government. Complete corruption across the board.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Power didn't start corrupting people yesterday. That sentiment is pretty much the entire reason why the US government was designed to have three branches that checks and balance each other. You don't need to trust anyone in particular if you can trust the process.
    - irrational 4y ago
      Well, I no longer trust the process. That was the basic meaning behind everyone is corrupt.
      - kube-system 4y ago
        I understand, i’m saying I don’t think it’s reasonable to make that jump. The process has design features to specifically allow it to function even when run by corrupt people. That was the entire point, since the beginning.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    SCOTUS is the least democratic of the three branches of government. Trust in SCOTUS hardly qualifies as trust in "democracy" at all. Unless I guess you're using "democracy" in a sense that is synonymous with all aspects of American government, which would be a mistake.
- _justinfunk 4y ago
  Are you all trying to make reference to the American Republic? We aren't a democracy, although our system does have democratic features.

econonut 4y ago

It is not the duty of the Supreme Court to follow public sentiment.

bediger4000 4y ago
Absolutely right! SCOTUS should continue to just call balls and strikes.
- deleted 4y ago
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matthewdgreen 4y ago
It’s the duty of the court to maintain the public’s trust in the institution: without that trust the law doesn’t matter very much. This court has not been doing that very well, as evidenced by sharp changes in the opinion polling. This leak, evidence that justices are sharing unpublished opinions with interested parties, and the current weak-tea investigation are only part of the problem. But they’re big problems.
- Alupis 4y ago
  The SCOTUS is not supposed to be swayed by public opinion. The only thing that is supposed to matter is the Constitution itself, and any amendments Congress has ratified along with case law, etc. ie. if you are upset by something SCOTUS didn't agree with you on - be mad at your Congresscritter - they are the only ones with the power to change the Constitution and law. However, there has been a growing push among some of our population that whatever is deemed popular today should be declared constitutional. That's just not how our system works - by design and for good reason. The founders went to great lengths to ensure a populism movement could not change our federal government on a whim. Populism movements, often based on emotional arguments rather than reality, change too rapidly and easily to form a stable platform for a long-lived government. The erosion of public trust in the institution that is the SCOTUS is based purely on populism movements of late. Without going into specifics - the particular issues that are said to be causing this alleged erosion of trust are simply not Constitutional issues. Yet, the people demand it be so regardless... kind of the hallmark of a modern populist movement.

pessimizer 4y ago

> I'm personally WAY more concerned about Justice Thomas and Ginny Thomas and their links to the insurrection attempt, and other undermining of democracy. I'm more concerned about global warming, but you can be concerned about more than one thing.