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So get a theme that has a 1px border. I don't really see a problem here. Everyday I use OSX I become more infuriated with it. The main reason is because it's t

by wizlb 18y ago

So get a theme that has a 1px border. I don't really see a problem here. Everyday I use OSX I become more infuriated with it. The main reason is because it's tied to _one_ hardware manufacturer which makes it kinda useless really especially when that manufacturer doesn't like to give you a whole lot of choice. Also, here's something interesting too about your favorite OS. There are no less than 20 Application Launchers (replacements for Spotlight). It seems that the dock isn't such a great replacement for the Start menu / task bar combo. See here: http://www.usingmac.com/2008/10/25/mac-application-launchers http://www.usingmac.com/2008/10/25/mac-application-launchers Besides the fact that it's fucking impossible to find anything in the Dock if you have hundreds of programs installed, you can't easily see what's running since the only indicator is a very small blue dot. This is why you simply can't use it to switch programs and I bet you don't. You probably use Expose. Well, I don't know about you, but when I'm mousing around a lot it takes me a second to switch back into keyboard mode, especially if the keyboard shortcut is something stupid like F10, F11 or F12. On Windows all I do is click on the taskbar item for the program I want. It's much, much quicker. The dock is simply a marketing gimmick. Also, if Vista continually tells you to restart, you're doing it wrong. I have a Vista box in my living room which has an uptime of about 3 months now since the last reboot. And there is nothing better than Vista Media Center, it kills Front Row in so many ways.

unalone 18y ago
So get a theme that has a 1px border. I don't really see a problem here. The point is that with Apple, I don't have to worry about themes. It's already set up for me and the experience largely revolves around it. The main reason is because it's tied to _one_ hardware manufacturer which makes it kinda useless really especially when that manufacturer doesn't like to give you a whole lot of choice. What aren't you given a choice about? It's possible to replace the camera, the keyboard, the mouse, and pretty much any part of the system that you don't want. You can replace any program that you don't like, too. Though it goes without saying that I like Apple's restrictive hardware, because it means that things work without fiddling. Also, here's something interesting too about your favorite OS. There are no less than 20 Application Launchers (replacements for Spotlight). It seems that the dock isn't such a great replacement for the Start menu / task bar combo. See here: A lot of them were created before Leopard, in which Spotlight was sped up immensely. I haven't needed anything beyond Spotlight since 10.5, which was when I began using a Mac as my main computer. The only exception to that is Quicksilver, which is more of a function fiddler than it is an app launcher. Besides the fact that it's fucking impossible to find anything in the Dock if you have hundreds of programs installed, you can't easily see what's running since the only indicator is a very small blue dot. That's why you don't put every app you have on the dock. It's a storage place for apps that you use often. I actually don't keep any programs on the dock: I only use it to show currently running apps. And the blue dot is pretty high contrast even when the dock is tiny. This is why you simply can't use it to switch programs and I bet you don't. You probably use Expose. Well, I don't know about you, but when I'm mousing around a lot it takes me a second to switch back into keyboard mode, especially if the keyboard shortcut is something stupid like F10, F11 or F12. On Windows all I do is click on the taskbar item for the program I want. It's much, much quicker. No, because using the mouse for something like app switching is slow and pointless. I use CMD-tab, followed by CMD-` to select the window. It's much, much quicker. And it's faster than alt-tab on Windows, especially when I have a ton of windows open, because selecting the app rather than the window means I can get immediately to what I want. If I've got 15 Quicktime windows open and 1 Safari window open, I can tab over quickly. I also have Exposé turned on to the bottom corner of my window, so it takes a single flick to reveal all my windows. That's another really nice built-in Mac feature: corner commands. The dock is simply a marketing gimmick. Hardly. The dock is the center of Apple's user experience, as I said. It's been that way since it came out with the first version of OS X. It's a storage spot, a navigation tool, and a launcher. Stacks in particular is a well-loved addition. Also, if Vista continually tells you to restart, you're doing it wrong. I have a Vista box in my living room which has an uptime of about 3 months now since the last reboot. Every time it installs an update, it constantly prompts a restart. That's a pain in the ass. And there is nothing better than Vista Media Center, it kills Front Row in so many ways. The last time you provoked an argument, I asked you what makes this the case. You never responded to me. So, tell me now? Though I recall last time your telling me you weren't going to have this argument any more. Why not let's drop this lengthy argument before we begin? The conversations I've had with you have not been pleasant.
- wizlb 18y ago
  "The last time you provoked an argument..." Gee, nothing like making personal attacks when you've got nothing else to say. Please tell me, when did I make this personal? I didn't... Anyway, to answer you question...what does Vista Media Center have that Apple Front Row doesn't? Well for one, CableCARD. Secondly, more hardware options, as usual. For instance, a Gyration remote (the best there is, IMO). Please see this list of many other things, this person says it better than I have time for: http://cybernetnews.com/2008/05/12/cybernotes-apple-front-row-vs-windows-media-center/ http://cybernetnews.com/2008/05/12/cybernotes-apple-front-ro...
- wizlb 18y ago
  Oh and I actually run Windows theme-less and the default border is 4px. At 1920x1200, I have plenty of pixels left over. What resolution were you looking at?
Zev 18y ago
People may have better things to do then hunt down a theme that looks nice. Like getting to work right away. Maybe the existence of so many choices to launch apps is indicative of more then Apple doing something wrong. It could show that everyone has their own paradigm for using their computer. And it's easy for anyone to customize the OS to do what they want if its not what Apple did by default. So much for being locked into one choice, eh? I don't know about you, but i have the ability to hit F9 and then the arrow keys to move around to various windows open in Expose. Or hit cmd + ` to switch between windows of my currently open app. Or cmd + tab and then use the arrow keys to go to the App i need. Or alt + tab to go between various elements of the currently open window. I can go on and on about the various keyboard shortcuts that OS X has. They're not the same as the Windows shortcuts so you have to relearn some. But they are there And if you do use an app launcher, you could try not having anything in the dock and just using said launcher to open apps. This way, everything in your dock is open. So you don't have to hunt for the easy to see (imo) blue dot under apps. But hey, I'm just one random person. And it sounds like you have your mind made up. So have fun using windows. I'll be over here having fun with my mac. Sounds like a fair trade?

by wizlb 18y ago

unalone 18y ago

So get a theme that has a 1px border. I don't really see a problem here. The point is that with Apple, I don't have to worry about themes. It's already set up for me and the experience largely revolves around it. The main reason is because it's tied to _one_ hardware manufacturer which makes it kinda useless really especially when that manufacturer doesn't like to give you a whole lot of choice. What aren't you given a choice about? It's possible to replace the camera, the keyboard, the mouse, and pretty much any part of the system that you don't want. You can replace any program that you don't like, too. Though it goes without saying that I like Apple's restrictive hardware, because it means that things work without fiddling. Also, here's something interesting too about your favorite OS. There are no less than 20 Application Launchers (replacements for Spotlight). It seems that the dock isn't such a great replacement for the Start menu / task bar combo. See here: A lot of them were created before Leopard, in which Spotlight was sped up immensely. I haven't needed anything beyond Spotlight since 10.5, which was when I began using a Mac as my main computer. The only exception to that is Quicksilver, which is more of a function fiddler than it is an app launcher. Besides the fact that it's fucking impossible to find anything in the Dock if you have hundreds of programs installed, you can't easily see what's running since the only indicator is a very small blue dot. That's why you don't put every app you have on the dock. It's a storage place for apps that you use often. I actually don't keep any programs on the dock: I only use it to show currently running apps. And the blue dot is pretty high contrast even when the dock is tiny. This is why you simply can't use it to switch programs and I bet you don't. You probably use Expose. Well, I don't know about you, but when I'm mousing around a lot it takes me a second to switch back into keyboard mode, especially if the keyboard shortcut is something stupid like F10, F11 or F12. On Windows all I do is click on the taskbar item for the program I want. It's much, much quicker. No, because using the mouse for something like app switching is slow and pointless. I use CMD-tab, followed by CMD-` to select the window. It's much, much quicker. And it's faster than alt-tab on Windows, especially when I have a ton of windows open, because selecting the app rather than the window means I can get immediately to what I want. If I've got 15 Quicktime windows open and 1 Safari window open, I can tab over quickly. I also have Exposé turned on to the bottom corner of my window, so it takes a single flick to reveal all my windows. That's another really nice built-in Mac feature: corner commands. The dock is simply a marketing gimmick. Hardly. The dock is the center of Apple's user experience, as I said. It's been that way since it came out with the first version of OS X. It's a storage spot, a navigation tool, and a launcher. Stacks in particular is a well-loved addition. Also, if Vista continually tells you to restart, you're doing it wrong. I have a Vista box in my living room which has an uptime of about 3 months now since the last reboot. Every time it installs an update, it constantly prompts a restart. That's a pain in the ass. And there is nothing better than Vista Media Center, it kills Front Row in so many ways. The last time you provoked an argument, I asked you what makes this the case. You never responded to me. So, tell me now? Though I recall last time your telling me you weren't going to have this argument any more. Why not let's drop this lengthy argument before we begin? The conversations I've had with you have not been pleasant.

wizlb 18y ago
"The last time you provoked an argument..." Gee, nothing like making personal attacks when you've got nothing else to say. Please tell me, when did I make this personal? I didn't... Anyway, to answer you question...what does Vista Media Center have that Apple Front Row doesn't? Well for one, CableCARD. Secondly, more hardware options, as usual. For instance, a Gyration remote (the best there is, IMO). Please see this list of many other things, this person says it better than I have time for: http://cybernetnews.com/2008/05/12/cybernotes-apple-front-row-vs-windows-media-center/ http://cybernetnews.com/2008/05/12/cybernotes-apple-front-ro...
wizlb 18y ago
Oh and I actually run Windows theme-less and the default border is 4px. At 1920x1200, I have plenty of pixels left over. What resolution were you looking at?

Zev 18y ago

People may have better things to do then hunt down a theme that looks nice. Like getting to work right away. Maybe the existence of so many choices to launch apps is indicative of more then Apple doing something wrong. It could show that everyone has their own paradigm for using their computer. And it's easy for anyone to customize the OS to do what they want if its not what Apple did by default. So much for being locked into one choice, eh? I don't know about you, but i have the ability to hit F9 and then the arrow keys to move around to various windows open in Expose. Or hit cmd + ` to switch between windows of my currently open app. Or cmd + tab and then use the arrow keys to go to the App i need. Or alt + tab to go between various elements of the currently open window. I can go on and on about the various keyboard shortcuts that OS X has. They're not the same as the Windows shortcuts so you have to relearn some. But they are there And if you do use an app launcher, you could try not having anything in the dock and just using said launcher to open apps. This way, everything in your dock is open. So you don't have to hunt for the easy to see (imo) blue dot under apps. But hey, I'm just one random person. And it sounds like you have your mind made up. So have fun using windows. I'll be over here having fun with my mac. Sounds like a fair trade?