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It's weird that americans always seem to have this sort of siege mentality. We already know the causes of the other outages, and they have nothing to do with th

It's weird that americans always seem to have this sort of siege mentality. We already know the causes of the other outages, and they have nothing to do with the foreign interference boogeyman.

gretch 4y ago
Are you so sure you have 0 people of this type in [country you are from]? Are you sure you are not seeing selection bias because the majority of users on this site are Americans?
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  I think that it's still pretty unique to the US. I completely agree with your point in general, and I think that internet discussions are often centered around America, so there's a huge selection biais in online discourse. But I truly think that the "the empire is under siege"/national security discourse is much more prevalent in the US. Which makes sense considering it is the empire ;). We don't really have that where I'm from. Instead of a siege mentality, we have a prevalent inferiority complex hahaha.
flandish 4y ago
Why do you assume I am American? Or are you speaking generally? “We” don’t know the causes, only what was reported. I’ve worked on a lot of old systems needing to be updated, migrated, or sunset. For sure it’s 99% of the time due to management being lazy. I get that. And I know correlation/causation, but hey my orig comment was a simple curiosity. Sure, my nature distrusts what a corporation says because it’s always filtered through stockholder functions, but I still think “3 major airline issues in as many months” is kind of hilarious. Even if they seem to be in different facets. Does this happen often but only now is it reported to “us”? Or is this truly an odd and rare timing?
- jjulius 4y ago
  >Sure, my nature distrusts what a corporation says because it’s always filtered through stockholder functions OK, but in Southwest's case, you had former and current employees from various positions within the company publicly coming out and lambasting Southwest for the failure to actually invest in upgrading their scheduling system that led to the outage. It wasn't just a corporation coming out and going, "Here's what we hope you believe happened," it was pissed off employees publicly fucked off that their years of complaints went unheard and now they were all paying the price for being ignored. >Or is this truly an odd and rare timing? It's just odd/rare. I would wager that your brain's rush to try and tie them together like this is just it's way of trying to make sense of something it normally doesn't see.
  - flandish 4y ago
    > invest in upgrading Meaning - a system is so old, slow, bug, and vulnerability prone a bad actor can pen-test around and mess stuff up?
    - jjulius 4y ago
      "Can"? Sure, just like most systems. "Did"? No, that's ignoring the fundamentals of how the system crashed. I'd recommend doing a deeper dive into what actually happened.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Actually you are right, sorry. Your comment didn't indicate that. My reply was mostly tainted by the other replies your comment got, and I assumed things I shouldn't have.
pookha 4y ago
It's weird how Europeans have this fedual surf mentality.
- fells 4y ago
  If you're going to attack them, you could at least spell some of those words correctly.
  - adolph 4y ago
    Yeah, total nonsequiter. Everybody knows Fritz and Jacque don't surf.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  I'm not european, and if anything, I'm looking into moving to the US soon. I'm not trying to do the usual "americans, amirite?" thing. It's just that there is much more of a "national security angle" to every discussion like this in the US. Which is pretty unique to america I thini
  - blululu 4y ago
    Go to Israel and say that. It is a feature but it is not unique. The US is a target for a variety of reasons. While a more mundane cause is likely, the implications of an attack are significant thus it would be unwise scoff this concern off as mere paranoia.
Analemma_ 4y ago
Part of it is this intellectual one-upsmanship, especially at places like HN. People think they look smarter if they reflexively reject "the narrative".

It's weird that americans always seem to have this sort of siege mentality. We already know the causes of the other outages, and they have nothing to do with the foreign interference boogeyman.

gretch 4y ago

Are you so sure you have 0 people of this type in [country you are from]? Are you sure you are not seeing selection bias because the majority of users on this site are Americans?

mardifoufs 4y ago
I think that it's still pretty unique to the US. I completely agree with your point in general, and I think that internet discussions are often centered around America, so there's a huge selection biais in online discourse. But I truly think that the "the empire is under siege"/national security discourse is much more prevalent in the US. Which makes sense considering it is the empire ;). We don't really have that where I'm from. Instead of a siege mentality, we have a prevalent inferiority complex hahaha.

flandish 4y ago

Why do you assume I am American? Or are you speaking generally? “We” don’t know the causes, only what was reported. I’ve worked on a lot of old systems needing to be updated, migrated, or sunset. For sure it’s 99% of the time due to management being lazy. I get that. And I know correlation/causation, but hey my orig comment was a simple curiosity. Sure, my nature distrusts what a corporation says because it’s always filtered through stockholder functions, but I still think “3 major airline issues in as many months” is kind of hilarious. Even if they seem to be in different facets. Does this happen often but only now is it reported to “us”? Or is this truly an odd and rare timing?

jjulius 4y ago
>Sure, my nature distrusts what a corporation says because it’s always filtered through stockholder functions OK, but in Southwest's case, you had former and current employees from various positions within the company publicly coming out and lambasting Southwest for the failure to actually invest in upgrading their scheduling system that led to the outage. It wasn't just a corporation coming out and going, "Here's what we hope you believe happened," it was pissed off employees publicly fucked off that their years of complaints went unheard and now they were all paying the price for being ignored. >Or is this truly an odd and rare timing? It's just odd/rare. I would wager that your brain's rush to try and tie them together like this is just it's way of trying to make sense of something it normally doesn't see.
- flandish 4y ago
  > invest in upgrading Meaning - a system is so old, slow, bug, and vulnerability prone a bad actor can pen-test around and mess stuff up?
  - jjulius 4y ago
    "Can"? Sure, just like most systems. "Did"? No, that's ignoring the fundamentals of how the system crashed. I'd recommend doing a deeper dive into what actually happened.
mardifoufs 4y ago
Actually you are right, sorry. Your comment didn't indicate that. My reply was mostly tainted by the other replies your comment got, and I assumed things I shouldn't have.

pookha 4y ago

It's weird how Europeans have this fedual surf mentality.

fells 4y ago
If you're going to attack them, you could at least spell some of those words correctly.
- adolph 4y ago
  Yeah, total nonsequiter. Everybody knows Fritz and Jacque don't surf.
mardifoufs 4y ago
I'm not european, and if anything, I'm looking into moving to the US soon. I'm not trying to do the usual "americans, amirite?" thing. It's just that there is much more of a "national security angle" to every discussion like this in the US. Which is pretty unique to america I thini
- blululu 4y ago
  Go to Israel and say that. It is a feature but it is not unique. The US is a target for a variety of reasons. While a more mundane cause is likely, the implications of an attack are significant thus it would be unwise scoff this concern off as mere paranoia.

Analemma_ 4y ago

Part of it is this intellectual one-upsmanship, especially at places like HN. People think they look smarter if they reflexively reject "the narrative".