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I am not. This is called whiplash. If you push and push and push, and call anyone who dissents an extremist, eventually someone will do that to you. You'd thi

I am not. This is called whiplash. If you push and push and push, and call anyone who dissents an extremist, eventually someone will do that to you. You'd think the woke would have realized that by now. But they seem incapable of modeling their opponents as anything other than evil. Personally I think that if women want to unilaterally decide to keep or abort, then fatherhood should be opt-in. Fair is fair. And if fathers can't wiggle out of parenthood, neither should women. The argument that he should've kept it in his pants is the exact same as saying she should've kept her legs shut. Either you agree with both, or with neither.

mindslight 4y ago
> Personally I think that if women want to unilaterally decide to keep or abort, then fatherhood should be opt-in Would it help convince you that I'm not a member of this strawman "woke mob" by saying I wholeheartedly agree with you on this? As I said in another comment, I'm not coming from this as a blue partisan, but rather a leave me alone libertarian who has been reluctantly pushed into voting conservative (which in 2023 means Democrat). Your argument here is just both sidesing "extremism" into moral relativism. In the real world, providing straightforward necessary medical care has been criminalized. This isn't hypothetical, but direct backwards-thinking oppression caused by a specific political movement, focusing on a straw man of third trimester elective abortions while writing off the collateral damage. For this not to be a straw man, you'd need to put forth statistics about the number of third trimester elective abortions (healthy normal pregnancies with no birth defects, etc), showing it's a significant topic. And if you want to advocate for banning that specifically, then I will understand where you're coming from. But so far you've just used it as a motte and bailey to ignore the scope of what has actually been criminalized.

mindslight 4y ago

> Personally I think that if women want to unilaterally decide to keep or abort, then fatherhood should be opt-in Would it help convince you that I'm not a member of this strawman "woke mob" by saying I wholeheartedly agree with you on this? As I said in another comment, I'm not coming from this as a blue partisan, but rather a leave me alone libertarian who has been reluctantly pushed into voting conservative (which in 2023 means Democrat). Your argument here is just both sidesing "extremism" into moral relativism. In the real world, providing straightforward necessary medical care has been criminalized. This isn't hypothetical, but direct backwards-thinking oppression caused by a specific political movement, focusing on a straw man of third trimester elective abortions while writing off the collateral damage. For this not to be a straw man, you'd need to put forth statistics about the number of third trimester elective abortions (healthy normal pregnancies with no birth defects, etc), showing it's a significant topic. And if you want to advocate for banning that specifically, then I will understand where you're coming from. But so far you've just used it as a motte and bailey to ignore the scope of what has actually been criminalized.