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I don't have that expectation. What caused you to have it?

l- 4y ago
Storing the mechanical action is an added expense. Pure Latin character based mark additions (& reversals) could include o -> p, or q along with font dependent n to m, V to W, F to E; l or I to B, D, E, F, H, K, L, M, P, t or T.
everybodyknows 4y ago
Exactly. Push-on/push-off switches -- analogous to a checkbox -- have been popular for decades and remain so. https://www.allelectronics.com/item/pb-173/spdt-on/off-pushbutton-switch/1.html https://www.allelectronics.com/item/pb-173/spdt-on/off-pushb...
SSLy 4y ago
It's cultural, check boxes come from boring and usually not greatly designed universe of Windows and Linux desktops, toggles come from immediacy of iOS devices.
- alxlaz 4y ago
  I know I'm old but I still see light switches all around me. Doesn't anyone flip them anymore? It's cultural but this has nothing to do with Windows, Linux, and iOS. You flip a switch, the light comes on immediately. This is about the immediacy of switches, not iOS devices.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    No, we use apps to control lights now.
em500 4y ago
I'm guessing that historically toggle switches would (immediately) close some electric circuit, whereas checkboxes were used to mark things as done on some paper list.
- _dain_ 4y ago
  Great observation.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  Checkboxes were used to indicate a request in a <form> that you later <submit>
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- reacweb 4y ago
  Maybe we should use toggle switch only when the effect is immediately visible.
- lgreiv 4y ago
  Exactly this is it.
lgreiv 4y ago
It is the metaphors that they apply, a toggle mimics a switch (e.g. a light switch) while a checkbox mimics it’s own paper counterpart.
Existenceblinks 4y ago
Yeah, UI design often rely on familiarity and it's going to confuse some % of minority because people's experience are different (been trained with different environment and situation in life, plus arbitrary brain chemical etc)
leokennis 4y ago
I do have (or at least understand) that expectation. Historically (90's, early 00's) in Windows, which had 95% of market share, almost any settings screen would only apply the settings you changed after you pressed the "Apply" button (apply the settings and stay in the screen) or "Save" (apply the settings and close the screen). I'm not sure how Mac OS X fared in that regard. But, for some older people, "click an option and it's immediately active" is not how it was in the past.
- systoll 4y ago
  I think that might be the underlying… misattribution(?). Almost no macOS screens have ever worked like that. Their interface guidelines have always recommended against it. > ...all changes that a user enters in a dialog box should appear to take effect immediately whenever possible. — macOS 9 guidelines: http://interface.free.fr/Archives/Apple_HIGuidelines.pdf http://interface.free.fr/Archives/Apple_HIGuidelines.pdf Following Apple’s sensibilities will get you both toggle switches and instant changes, though I’m not sure there's a connection within any single interface.
  - xmcqdpt2 4y ago
    You are right. I just had to go back and look at some OS8 screenshots to confirm and indeed they don't have save/apply anywhere you may not like it but this is what peak UX looks like https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macos80 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macos80
    - crazygringo 4y ago
      I think most of what you're referring to was Control Panel. Control Panel was unique in settings applying immediately. Pretty much every app's preferences (or other settings) were a modal dialog with OK/Cancel, however. So it was a step forwards when iOS's Settings app changed from checkboxes to toggles, because this reflected the immediate change. And now with Ventura, macOS has finally caught up as well.
- godshatter 4y ago
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l- 4y ago

Storing the mechanical action is an added expense. Pure Latin character based mark additions (& reversals) could include o -> p, or q along with font dependent n to m, V to W, F to E; l or I to B, D, E, F, H, K, L, M, P, t or T.

everybodyknows 4y ago

Exactly. Push-on/push-off switches -- analogous to a checkbox -- have been popular for decades and remain so. https://www.allelectronics.com/item/pb-173/spdt-on/off-pushbutton-switch/1.html https://www.allelectronics.com/item/pb-173/spdt-on/off-pushb...

SSLy 4y ago

It's cultural, check boxes come from boring and usually not greatly designed universe of Windows and Linux desktops, toggles come from immediacy of iOS devices.

alxlaz 4y ago
I know I'm old but I still see light switches all around me. Doesn't anyone flip them anymore? It's cultural but this has nothing to do with Windows, Linux, and iOS. You flip a switch, the light comes on immediately. This is about the immediacy of switches, not iOS devices.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  No, we use apps to control lights now.

em500 4y ago

I'm guessing that historically toggle switches would (immediately) close some electric circuit, whereas checkboxes were used to mark things as done on some paper list.

_dain_ 4y ago
Great observation.
hgsgm 4y ago
Checkboxes were used to indicate a request in a <form> that you later <submit>
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reacweb 4y ago
Maybe we should use toggle switch only when the effect is immediately visible.
lgreiv 4y ago
Exactly this is it.

lgreiv 4y ago

It is the metaphors that they apply, a toggle mimics a switch (e.g. a light switch) while a checkbox mimics it’s own paper counterpart.

Existenceblinks 4y ago

Yeah, UI design often rely on familiarity and it's going to confuse some % of minority because people's experience are different (been trained with different environment and situation in life, plus arbitrary brain chemical etc)

leokennis 4y ago

I do have (or at least understand) that expectation. Historically (90's, early 00's) in Windows, which had 95% of market share, almost any settings screen would only apply the settings you changed after you pressed the "Apply" button (apply the settings and stay in the screen) or "Save" (apply the settings and close the screen). I'm not sure how Mac OS X fared in that regard. But, for some older people, "click an option and it's immediately active" is not how it was in the past.

systoll 4y ago
I think that might be the underlying… misattribution(?). Almost no macOS screens have ever worked like that. Their interface guidelines have always recommended against it. > ...all changes that a user enters in a dialog box should appear to take effect immediately whenever possible. — macOS 9 guidelines: http://interface.free.fr/Archives/Apple_HIGuidelines.pdf http://interface.free.fr/Archives/Apple_HIGuidelines.pdf Following Apple’s sensibilities will get you both toggle switches and instant changes, though I’m not sure there's a connection within any single interface.
- xmcqdpt2 4y ago
  You are right. I just had to go back and look at some OS8 screenshots to confirm and indeed they don't have save/apply anywhere you may not like it but this is what peak UX looks like https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macos80 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macos80
  - crazygringo 4y ago
    I think most of what you're referring to was Control Panel. Control Panel was unique in settings applying immediately. Pretty much every app's preferences (or other settings) were a modal dialog with OK/Cancel, however. So it was a step forwards when iOS's Settings app changed from checkboxes to toggles, because this reflected the immediate change. And now with Ventura, macOS has finally caught up as well.
godshatter 4y ago

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