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>so it was re-stolen from the place it was dropped off. Note for others: if you're in a jurisdiction that has decriminalized car theft, and you find your stole

>so it was re-stolen from the place it was dropped off. Note for others: if you're in a jurisdiction that has decriminalized car theft, and you find your stolen car, just get in it, drive home, and tell the police you recovered your own vehicle.

climb_stealth 4y ago
Would you mind elaborating? Why would it not be okay to drive your own car once you find it? Sure you might get stopped by police, but should be able to explain and prove the ownership.
- sbierwagen 4y ago
  Why ask me? GP is the one who found the car but had it re-stolen, ask them why they didn't recover it. There was also a recent HN submission where a blog post author used a GPS tracker to find their car but relied on the police instead of recovering it themselves, with predictable results. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30442044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30442044
emsixteen 4y ago
> a jurisdiction that has decriminalized car theft Is this a thing?
- zdragnar 4y ago
  https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/stolen-van-filled-with-tools-spotted-in-homeless-encampment-police-wont-help/89-3ed6aced-65c0-4558-9dc1-90ba7e994dc3#:~:text=Local%20News-,Frustration%20as%20stolen%20van%20filled%20with%20tools%20spotted%20in%20homeless,the%20encampment%20%22too%20hostile.%22 https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/stolen-van-filled-... comes to mind, though I seem to recall similar other stories. Between the reactionary changes due to the public perception in the past few years, the defund movement undermining morale and other sundry causes, several major city departments are very understaffed and property crime investigation gets deprioritized pretty quickly. Edit: removed the editorializing paragraph prior to the article. It was largely redundant.
  - throwifasd 4y ago
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    - _dain_ 4y ago
      I have strong beliefs, you have an opinion, he is editorializing.
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      Everything I listed are publicly given reasons that police departments have heard for the wave of early retirements and transfers out of troubled districts, and police have always prioritized response times based on capacity.
  - coldpie 4y ago
    > the defund movement undermining morale The defund movement didn't spring from nowhere, it is a reaction to terrible policework. The police created the defund movement. Fix the police and it will go away.
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      This misses the point. Police departments are having a hard time recruiting; this is one of the reasons people don't want to work in these departments. They certainly need fixing, but I'm also not convinced that doing so will make the defund movement go away. Voices within what we are calling the "defund movement" range from "change how funds are allocated" to "abolish policing entirely". Ilhan Omar, as an example, said “The Minneapolis Police Department is rotten to the root, and so when we dismantle it, we get rid of that cancer, and we allow for something beautiful to rise, and that reimagining allows us to figure out what public safety looks like for us.” It isn't exactly a call for abolition, but it is saying get rid of them and we'll figure it out later. Her voice wasn't alone; the Minneapolis city council voted 12-0 to completely defund the department and replace the police with "peace officers" who presumably would have had different obligations in terms of interacting with people. That ended up never going anywhere; a spike in violent and property crime led the necessary city charter amendment to fail (Minneapolis city charter currently mandates a minimum staffing level of police, which it hasn't been able to meet since 2020). The political motivations behind this far end of the "defund" movement argue that policing simply cannot be successfully reformed - that there is no "fixing" the police.

climb_stealth 4y ago

Would you mind elaborating? Why would it not be okay to drive your own car once you find it? Sure you might get stopped by police, but should be able to explain and prove the ownership.

sbierwagen 4y ago
Why ask me? GP is the one who found the car but had it re-stolen, ask them why they didn't recover it. There was also a recent HN submission where a blog post author used a GPS tracker to find their car but relied on the police instead of recovering it themselves, with predictable results. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30442044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30442044

emsixteen 4y ago

> a jurisdiction that has decriminalized car theft Is this a thing?

zdragnar 4y ago
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/stolen-van-filled-with-tools-spotted-in-homeless-encampment-police-wont-help/89-3ed6aced-65c0-4558-9dc1-90ba7e994dc3#:~:text=Local%20News-,Frustration%20as%20stolen%20van%20filled%20with%20tools%20spotted%20in%20homeless,the%20encampment%20%22too%20hostile.%22 https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/stolen-van-filled-... comes to mind, though I seem to recall similar other stories. Between the reactionary changes due to the public perception in the past few years, the defund movement undermining morale and other sundry causes, several major city departments are very understaffed and property crime investigation gets deprioritized pretty quickly. Edit: removed the editorializing paragraph prior to the article. It was largely redundant.
- throwifasd 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - _dain_ 4y ago
    I have strong beliefs, you have an opinion, he is editorializing.
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    Everything I listed are publicly given reasons that police departments have heard for the wave of early retirements and transfers out of troubled districts, and police have always prioritized response times based on capacity.
- coldpie 4y ago
  > the defund movement undermining morale The defund movement didn't spring from nowhere, it is a reaction to terrible policework. The police created the defund movement. Fix the police and it will go away.
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    This misses the point. Police departments are having a hard time recruiting; this is one of the reasons people don't want to work in these departments. They certainly need fixing, but I'm also not convinced that doing so will make the defund movement go away. Voices within what we are calling the "defund movement" range from "change how funds are allocated" to "abolish policing entirely". Ilhan Omar, as an example, said “The Minneapolis Police Department is rotten to the root, and so when we dismantle it, we get rid of that cancer, and we allow for something beautiful to rise, and that reimagining allows us to figure out what public safety looks like for us.” It isn't exactly a call for abolition, but it is saying get rid of them and we'll figure it out later. Her voice wasn't alone; the Minneapolis city council voted 12-0 to completely defund the department and replace the police with "peace officers" who presumably would have had different obligations in terms of interacting with people. That ended up never going anywhere; a spike in violent and property crime led the necessary city charter amendment to fail (Minneapolis city charter currently mandates a minimum staffing level of police, which it hasn't been able to meet since 2020). The political motivations behind this far end of the "defund" movement argue that policing simply cannot be successfully reformed - that there is no "fixing" the police.