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I don't understand what it would mean for life to be better for the collective but for none of the individuals, what is it that you are expressing?

sokoloff 4y ago
As two examples: it could easily be collectively more convenient if individuals had fewer rights and less privacy. The US right to free speech is inconvenient at times for the collective. (I have no interest in hearing pro-Nazi speech. I have even less interest in living under a government with the power to ban that speech or other unpopular speech.) When I lived in Germany, I had to register my address with the local government and update it quickly if I moved. In the US, I can move without reporting it to the local government. I’m sure there’s some collective benefit to the local police having a fairly accurate record of where everyone is regularly sleeping. Individually, I’m not interested in being obligated to share that information. I believe the US approach is better, but I acknowledge that’s in large part because I was raised/indoctrinated to believe that.
- varjag 4y ago
  How does IRS or USPS find your whereabouts if you move then?
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Well, neither of those are local government which the parent comment referenced. Even if we did report moving to our local government, the IRS or USPS won't necessarily get that information. The IRS gets our address because most people are required to file their tax returns, and we put our address on those forms. The USPS doesn't need to find anyone. They just deliver to the address on an envelope. If the person isn't there, it's the sender's problem. You can however voluntarily tell the USPS you've moved, and they'll forward your mail for a period of time.
- Vecr 4y ago
  You are actually supposed to notify the USSSS (for the draft) within 15 days if you are a man between the ages of 18 and 27, but I assume most people don't.
  - kenhwang 4y ago
    I'd say a significant majority of people do, but inadvertently. Only 8 states don't require USSSS registration before obtaining an ID/driver's license and would automatically register (CA, CT, IN, NE, OR, VT, WA, WY), and of those, Washington and Indiana still automatically register unless there is an explicit opt out. It's also a requirement for consideration of financial aid or in-state tuition for college, so many public universities won't allow application without proof of USSSS registration first and also helpfully auto-register on application or during enrollment. My experience in CA is public high school would refuse to even award a high school diploma if you're 18 by graduation and didn't register and would also auto-register on your behalf if no explicit opt out was given. Funnily enough, mine registered me in the 30 days _before_ I turned 18.

sokoloff 4y ago

As two examples: it could easily be collectively more convenient if individuals had fewer rights and less privacy. The US right to free speech is inconvenient at times for the collective. (I have no interest in hearing pro-Nazi speech. I have even less interest in living under a government with the power to ban that speech or other unpopular speech.) When I lived in Germany, I had to register my address with the local government and update it quickly if I moved. In the US, I can move without reporting it to the local government. I’m sure there’s some collective benefit to the local police having a fairly accurate record of where everyone is regularly sleeping. Individually, I’m not interested in being obligated to share that information. I believe the US approach is better, but I acknowledge that’s in large part because I was raised/indoctrinated to believe that.

varjag 4y ago
How does IRS or USPS find your whereabouts if you move then?
- kube-system 4y ago
  Well, neither of those are local government which the parent comment referenced. Even if we did report moving to our local government, the IRS or USPS won't necessarily get that information. The IRS gets our address because most people are required to file their tax returns, and we put our address on those forms. The USPS doesn't need to find anyone. They just deliver to the address on an envelope. If the person isn't there, it's the sender's problem. You can however voluntarily tell the USPS you've moved, and they'll forward your mail for a period of time.
Vecr 4y ago
You are actually supposed to notify the USSSS (for the draft) within 15 days if you are a man between the ages of 18 and 27, but I assume most people don't.
- kenhwang 4y ago
  I'd say a significant majority of people do, but inadvertently. Only 8 states don't require USSSS registration before obtaining an ID/driver's license and would automatically register (CA, CT, IN, NE, OR, VT, WA, WY), and of those, Washington and Indiana still automatically register unless there is an explicit opt out. It's also a requirement for consideration of financial aid or in-state tuition for college, so many public universities won't allow application without proof of USSSS registration first and also helpfully auto-register on application or during enrollment. My experience in CA is public high school would refuse to even award a high school diploma if you're 18 by graduation and didn't register and would also auto-register on your behalf if no explicit opt out was given. Funnily enough, mine registered me in the 30 days _before_ I turned 18.