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These extensions are killer, and are the primary reason I use Firefox. No other browsers have similar functionality at all that I've found. For me, it's the be

These extensions are killer, and are the primary reason I use Firefox. No other browsers have similar functionality at all that I've found. For me, it's the best setup I've found in terms of cookie/session management. By default, I do want every new tab I open to come with a clean slate of no cookies, local storage, SQLite, or whatever other storage/tracking mechanisms are invented. If I need to open up a Google service, I simply open a new tab in my Google container. Combined with a good password manager to quickly login to lower security accounts, it is a marginal increase in work managing sessions, with the benefit of not tracking all your cookies and history around everywhere you go. The features aren't perfect since it's not a workflow optimized for consumer simplicity, but it works for me.

blakeli12 4y ago
I agree. Google and Firefox have a high number and quality of plugins, but Google Chrome has a larger market for plugins and it is easier to find plugins for specific features. However, Firefox supports plugins in the WebExtensions format, which is compatible with Google Chrome, but also supports other formats such as XUL and XPCOM that give developers more control
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Yes, also you can have FF drop cookies from all sites but a few at the end of the session. I use this on my other computers and for nontechnical friends.
- rand0mx1 4y ago
  Its buggy https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767271 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767271
sfmike 4y ago
does anyone know why chrome can't do containers, this is also why i use firefox
- black_puppydog 4y ago
  It would seem its again the interest of one of the biggest contributors to the open source code base of chromium...
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    For discussion about it. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/IZ7peQHHWiE https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/IZ... In response to asking about supporting multiple profiles between different tabs. >Extraordinarily difficult. I would expect person-years of effort for this, as the link between profile and window is deeply ingrained throughout the code. Chrome doesn't support containers because it would take a big investment that no one is currently willing to make. Google doesn't want to spend millions of dollars and deprioritize more important work for a niche feature that not that many people benefit from.
    - cute_boi 4y ago
      It is a lie when we know ghost browsers essentially do the same. I think it is just not in the best interest of Google because it might hurt their bottom line i.e. ads.
      - hgsgm 4y ago
        You can open a new window for a separate session, just not a new tab.
    - sirsinsalot 4y ago
      I am doubtful about the person-years of effort. It's an indirection.
      - bayindirh 4y ago
        Or the code is specially laid out that way over the years to make this a person-years effort.
aendruk 4y ago
The key insight for me was that persistence should be opt-in—when I want a website to remember me, I take action to express that—the opposite of the current norm. I sometimes wonder whether Google was strategically preempting this paradigm when they mainstreamed ephemeral sessions under the framing of sneaky mode.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  The vast majority of people find persistent sessions convenient. If you don't want cookies, you can turn them off for all sites (with exceptions) or for some sites.
  - aendruk 4y ago
    rejecting cookies ≠ giving them a short lifetime Cookies aren’t inherently bad. If a second party asks me to hold on to something while I’m actively engaged with it, that’s typically fine. At the end of the day, though, I’m deciding what to take home.
ranting-moth 4y ago
> I do want every new tab I open to come with a clean slate I'd like that too, how can you do that? I've been using Firefox containers for a while. When I open a new tab it opens in the default non-container which carries it's own storage cesspit.
- _flux 4y ago
  You need to use Temporary Container's shortcut to open the tab, I think extensions cannot override builtin ones.. (And you need Temporary Containers in the first place: that's the bit that creates fresh new containers.) For me the shortcut is alt C.
- cypherpunks01 4y ago
  The answer is using Temporary Contains with "Automatic Mode" enabled in the preferences. I just opened a new tab normally, with no shortcut, and it automatically created a fresh temp container "tmp2". I logged into HN and replied to this comment. I will close the tab now, and in 5 minutes, due to another Temp Containers setting, everything in the temp container will be wiped. The whole silly "No Container" business goes away entirely. See https://github.com/stoically/temporary-containers/wiki/Automatic-Mode https://github.com/stoically/temporary-containers/wiki/Autom...

blakeli12 4y ago

I agree. Google and Firefox have a high number and quality of plugins, but Google Chrome has a larger market for plugins and it is easier to find plugins for specific features. However, Firefox supports plugins in the WebExtensions format, which is compatible with Google Chrome, but also supports other formats such as XUL and XPCOM that give developers more control

mixmastamyk 4y ago

Yes, also you can have FF drop cookies from all sites but a few at the end of the session. I use this on my other computers and for nontechnical friends.

rand0mx1 4y ago
Its buggy https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767271 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767271

sfmike 4y ago

does anyone know why chrome can't do containers, this is also why i use firefox

black_puppydog 4y ago
It would seem its again the interest of one of the biggest contributors to the open source code base of chromium...
- charcircuit 4y ago
  For discussion about it. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/IZ7peQHHWiE https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/IZ... In response to asking about supporting multiple profiles between different tabs. >Extraordinarily difficult. I would expect person-years of effort for this, as the link between profile and window is deeply ingrained throughout the code. Chrome doesn't support containers because it would take a big investment that no one is currently willing to make. Google doesn't want to spend millions of dollars and deprioritize more important work for a niche feature that not that many people benefit from.
  - cute_boi 4y ago
    It is a lie when we know ghost browsers essentially do the same. I think it is just not in the best interest of Google because it might hurt their bottom line i.e. ads.
    - hgsgm 4y ago
      You can open a new window for a separate session, just not a new tab.
  - sirsinsalot 4y ago
    I am doubtful about the person-years of effort. It's an indirection.
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      Or the code is specially laid out that way over the years to make this a person-years effort.

aendruk 4y ago

The key insight for me was that persistence should be opt-in—when I want a website to remember me, I take action to express that—the opposite of the current norm. I sometimes wonder whether Google was strategically preempting this paradigm when they mainstreamed ephemeral sessions under the framing of sneaky mode.

hgsgm 4y ago
The vast majority of people find persistent sessions convenient. If you don't want cookies, you can turn them off for all sites (with exceptions) or for some sites.
- aendruk 4y ago
  rejecting cookies ≠ giving them a short lifetime Cookies aren’t inherently bad. If a second party asks me to hold on to something while I’m actively engaged with it, that’s typically fine. At the end of the day, though, I’m deciding what to take home.

ranting-moth 4y ago

> I do want every new tab I open to come with a clean slate I'd like that too, how can you do that? I've been using Firefox containers for a while. When I open a new tab it opens in the default non-container which carries it's own storage cesspit.

_flux 4y ago
You need to use Temporary Container's shortcut to open the tab, I think extensions cannot override builtin ones.. (And you need Temporary Containers in the first place: that's the bit that creates fresh new containers.) For me the shortcut is alt C.
cypherpunks01 4y ago
The answer is using Temporary Contains with "Automatic Mode" enabled in the preferences. I just opened a new tab normally, with no shortcut, and it automatically created a fresh temp container "tmp2". I logged into HN and replied to this comment. I will close the tab now, and in 5 minutes, due to another Temp Containers setting, everything in the temp container will be wiped. The whole silly "No Container" business goes away entirely. See https://github.com/stoically/temporary-containers/wiki/Automatic-Mode https://github.com/stoically/temporary-containers/wiki/Autom...