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100%, your comment puts it in really nice words. Plus, the requirements for a good life are so low compared to the lifestyles which the rich lead. It is frustra

100%, your comment puts it in really nice words. Plus, the requirements for a good life are so low compared to the lifestyles which the rich lead. It is frustrating that we haven’t got there as a society yet. Imagine a world where you could YOLO into a Ph. D research position, and if you burnt out be able to have a bed, food, clean water and access to medical care. It’s not much but seems utopian compared to the world today.

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reducesuffering 4y ago
That world does sound nice, but will it work if the same applies to every doctor, farmer, and construction worker? Everything you want provided while your burnt out is because someone else is getting up at 7am everyday for decades.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  "Everything you want provided while your burnt out is because someone else is getting up at 7am everyday for decades." That is a hypothesis. So sure, someone needs to get up, so the hot water comes out of the wall, but it is not at all clear that it needs to be always the same guy grinding, while next door someone else is dying of boredom and watching netflix until he passes out. Give him a real chance to qualify and maybe he will be happy to do useful work. Remove the whip of existential threat and maybe he get up on his own again, because he wants to and not because he must. Also there is so much energy spend on fighting for basic ressources, or fighting regulations, or other arbitary constraints, that in theory we could reduce the work needed by a lot. But of course the question is - will society work at all, with the basic competition removed? Will it make population explode, until there are literally no ressources left to share? We don't know, but I am open to try out more experiments in that regard.
  - FanaHOVA 4y ago
    > but it is not at all clear that it needs to be always the same guy grinding, while next door someone else is dying of boredom and watching netflix until he passes out Unemployment is 3.5%
    - serverholic 4y ago
      I’m of the opinion that a large chunk of jobs are made up, pointless BS. They exist because jobs have to exist. Because our society requires us to do SOMETHING so we make up large social structures to prove we have the right to exist.
      - whstl 4y ago
        This is not an unpopular opinion and I've also been thinking about it. A lot of people theorize about what's gonna happen if/when we reach very high levels of automation. Who's gonna consume things after the robots take most jobs? UBI is often the answer. I'm pro-UBI, but I'm also of the opinion that we should prepare/self-correct by collectively working much much less.
        hutzlibu 4y ago
        "by collectively working much much less. " Or we can change our definition of what work is. There is work and there are (money paying) jobs. The world is full of problems and full of work. Problems on the planet, problems on the mind, problems on the hearts. And the universe is big and waiting, so I am really not afraid, that robots will steal me a purpose in life.
    - jonsen 4y ago
      The percentage of employed unproductive is way higher.
      - FanaHOVA 4y ago
        Surely, but what makes you think they are unhappy with their unproductivity? The OP makes it sound like there's a ton of people who aren't working who'd love to give you free time and do the work for you, but that's clearly not the case.
- mxkopy 4y ago
  Tragic few are waking up at 7am to provide clean beds, food and water. And if they were able to use that system, there's incentive to maintain it. I feel like so many people who work fast food do so because it literally provides them with food.
  - adave 4y ago
    Yeah all those jobs need to be eliminated so people don't have to do such stuff. Unfortunately in the current society UBI or anything helpful will not happen without a major cultural revolution.
weakfortress 4y ago
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granshaw 4y ago
That world exists. It’s called Europe

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reducesuffering 4y ago

That world does sound nice, but will it work if the same applies to every doctor, farmer, and construction worker? Everything you want provided while your burnt out is because someone else is getting up at 7am everyday for decades.

hutzlibu 4y ago
"Everything you want provided while your burnt out is because someone else is getting up at 7am everyday for decades." That is a hypothesis. So sure, someone needs to get up, so the hot water comes out of the wall, but it is not at all clear that it needs to be always the same guy grinding, while next door someone else is dying of boredom and watching netflix until he passes out. Give him a real chance to qualify and maybe he will be happy to do useful work. Remove the whip of existential threat and maybe he get up on his own again, because he wants to and not because he must. Also there is so much energy spend on fighting for basic ressources, or fighting regulations, or other arbitary constraints, that in theory we could reduce the work needed by a lot. But of course the question is - will society work at all, with the basic competition removed? Will it make population explode, until there are literally no ressources left to share? We don't know, but I am open to try out more experiments in that regard.
- FanaHOVA 4y ago
  > but it is not at all clear that it needs to be always the same guy grinding, while next door someone else is dying of boredom and watching netflix until he passes out Unemployment is 3.5%
  - serverholic 4y ago
    I’m of the opinion that a large chunk of jobs are made up, pointless BS. They exist because jobs have to exist. Because our society requires us to do SOMETHING so we make up large social structures to prove we have the right to exist.
    - whstl 4y ago
      This is not an unpopular opinion and I've also been thinking about it. A lot of people theorize about what's gonna happen if/when we reach very high levels of automation. Who's gonna consume things after the robots take most jobs? UBI is often the answer. I'm pro-UBI, but I'm also of the opinion that we should prepare/self-correct by collectively working much much less.
      - hutzlibu 4y ago
        "by collectively working much much less. " Or we can change our definition of what work is. There is work and there are (money paying) jobs. The world is full of problems and full of work. Problems on the planet, problems on the mind, problems on the hearts. And the universe is big and waiting, so I am really not afraid, that robots will steal me a purpose in life.
  - jonsen 4y ago
    The percentage of employed unproductive is way higher.
    - FanaHOVA 4y ago
      Surely, but what makes you think they are unhappy with their unproductivity? The OP makes it sound like there's a ton of people who aren't working who'd love to give you free time and do the work for you, but that's clearly not the case.
mxkopy 4y ago
Tragic few are waking up at 7am to provide clean beds, food and water. And if they were able to use that system, there's incentive to maintain it. I feel like so many people who work fast food do so because it literally provides them with food.
- adave 4y ago
  Yeah all those jobs need to be eliminated so people don't have to do such stuff. Unfortunately in the current society UBI or anything helpful will not happen without a major cultural revolution.

weakfortress 4y ago

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granshaw 4y ago

That world exists. It’s called Europe