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Amazon begins another round of job cuts as it lays off more than 18,000 people

65 points by jiwidi 4y ago

dogma1138 4y ago
Do we have a name for this are we aren’t we recession yet?
- __derek__ 4y ago
  Vibecession
- beambot 4y ago
  Denial.
- melling 4y ago
  Could you elaborate? People explained that we weren’t in a recession because the loosely defined definition of 2 consecutive quarters still had low unemployment. Now GDP is positive again and unemployment is still low. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/u.s.-gdp-growth-unexpectedly-upwardly-revised-to-3.2-in-q3 https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/u.s.-gdp-growth-unexpectedly... I mean it’s not like we didn’t beg people to discuss the economy in more detail. We could all learn something.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >>I mean it’s not like we didn’t beg people to discuss the economy in more detail. We did, the problem is many of us reject Magical errr Modern Monetary Theory which is in large part what drives connecting the manipulated and inaccurate "unemployment" numbers (normally the U3) as an indicator of economic health which it is not in any way
    - twelve40 4y ago
      does fed base their mandate on u3? which you are saying is inadequate. If so, why would they do that, they don't seem stupid, for the most part.
      - phpisthebest 4y ago
        I dont know what the Fed does, but Treasury Secretary Yellen often used the U3 Headline number on unemployment to handwave away people saying we were in recession
        twelve40 4y ago
        But she also doesn't look stupid, PhD in economics from Yale. Is she purposely misleading everybody then? but why? is she afraid to get fired from secretary of treasury job (after many decades of top gov jobs) for reporting accurate information? Honest question. P.S. especially if we really are in a recession and no amount of misleading will be able to sweep this under the rug?
        phpisthebest 4y ago
        >>But she also doesn't look stupid, PhD in economics from Yale. Appeal to authority Fallacy... I give 2 shits where someone went to university >>Is she purposely misleading everybody then? but why? yes, and politics.... They have the same idea as to why it was OK to lie during covid they feel the public is too stupid / panicky to know the truth.
        libraryatnight 4y ago
        So you don't know, you just suspect she's acting nefariously and have decided to act as if.
        twelve40 4y ago
        no, I did not commit that fallacy because I haven't made any claims whatsoever, just asking a few questions. As it happened, I don't even have any strong opinions on this, just curious. To me, trying to cover up a (beginning) recession seems as stupid and useless as the National Weather Service lying about an incoming hurricane. Why would anyone do that, regardless of their agenda? P.S. she's not running for office, so she's not under any immediate pressure to bullshit people. She has enough clout and experience to worry about legacy instead of engaging in such blatantly inefficient lying.
  - dogma1138 4y ago
    Hence the are we aren’t we, for many people around the world it very much feels as a recession, double digit inflation caused some of the sharpest drops in real wages, massive erosion of wealth off the markets even if you call it a correction it doesn’t make it easier, and overall there is a pretty darn big sense of economic stagnation going all around.
- TruthShare 4y ago
  [flagged]
- pvaldes 4y ago
  My bet would be that the free personal info "all-you-can-spy buffet" was finally regulated by politicians. Another possibility is that people is being replaced by the new generation of bots.
- cosmodisk 4y ago
  FOMO. A handful of CEOs start headcount reductions and others feel pressure to do the same, because eventually boards and shareholders ask those questions. So to 'calm the markets', an announcement with 10K jobs, is due.
baby 4y ago
Looks like it's happening over at Microsoft as well: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/business/microsoft-layoffs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/business/microsoft-layoff...
greenyoda 4y ago
Extensive discussion earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34427277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34427277

65 points by jiwidi 4y ago

dogma1138 4y ago

Do we have a name for this are we aren’t we recession yet?

__derek__ 4y ago
Vibecession
beambot 4y ago
Denial.
melling 4y ago
Could you elaborate? People explained that we weren’t in a recession because the loosely defined definition of 2 consecutive quarters still had low unemployment. Now GDP is positive again and unemployment is still low. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/u.s.-gdp-growth-unexpectedly-upwardly-revised-to-3.2-in-q3 https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/u.s.-gdp-growth-unexpectedly... I mean it’s not like we didn’t beg people to discuss the economy in more detail. We could all learn something.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >>I mean it’s not like we didn’t beg people to discuss the economy in more detail. We did, the problem is many of us reject Magical errr Modern Monetary Theory which is in large part what drives connecting the manipulated and inaccurate "unemployment" numbers (normally the U3) as an indicator of economic health which it is not in any way
  - twelve40 4y ago
    does fed base their mandate on u3? which you are saying is inadequate. If so, why would they do that, they don't seem stupid, for the most part.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      I dont know what the Fed does, but Treasury Secretary Yellen often used the U3 Headline number on unemployment to handwave away people saying we were in recession
      - twelve40 4y ago
        But she also doesn't look stupid, PhD in economics from Yale. Is she purposely misleading everybody then? but why? is she afraid to get fired from secretary of treasury job (after many decades of top gov jobs) for reporting accurate information? Honest question. P.S. especially if we really are in a recession and no amount of misleading will be able to sweep this under the rug?
        phpisthebest 4y ago
        >>But she also doesn't look stupid, PhD in economics from Yale. Appeal to authority Fallacy... I give 2 shits where someone went to university >>Is she purposely misleading everybody then? but why? yes, and politics.... They have the same idea as to why it was OK to lie during covid they feel the public is too stupid / panicky to know the truth.
        libraryatnight 4y ago
        So you don't know, you just suspect she's acting nefariously and have decided to act as if.
        twelve40 4y ago
        no, I did not commit that fallacy because I haven't made any claims whatsoever, just asking a few questions. As it happened, I don't even have any strong opinions on this, just curious. To me, trying to cover up a (beginning) recession seems as stupid and useless as the National Weather Service lying about an incoming hurricane. Why would anyone do that, regardless of their agenda? P.S. she's not running for office, so she's not under any immediate pressure to bullshit people. She has enough clout and experience to worry about legacy instead of engaging in such blatantly inefficient lying.
- dogma1138 4y ago
  Hence the are we aren’t we, for many people around the world it very much feels as a recession, double digit inflation caused some of the sharpest drops in real wages, massive erosion of wealth off the markets even if you call it a correction it doesn’t make it easier, and overall there is a pretty darn big sense of economic stagnation going all around.
TruthShare 4y ago
[flagged]
pvaldes 4y ago
My bet would be that the free personal info "all-you-can-spy buffet" was finally regulated by politicians. Another possibility is that people is being replaced by the new generation of bots.
cosmodisk 4y ago
FOMO. A handful of CEOs start headcount reductions and others feel pressure to do the same, because eventually boards and shareholders ask those questions. So to 'calm the markets', an announcement with 10K jobs, is due.

baby 4y ago

Looks like it's happening over at Microsoft as well: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/business/microsoft-layoffs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/business/microsoft-layoff...

greenyoda 4y ago

Extensive discussion earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34427277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34427277