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I think you are missing the bigger point. VC money puts pressure to grow at any cost and very quickly. That takes away the freedom founders/teams could have to

I think you are missing the bigger point. VC money puts pressure to grow at any cost and very quickly. That takes away the freedom founders/teams could have to do a few things at a different pace and more sustainably which can still lead to scaling. VC = fast or die. No middle ground. But there are ways to scale even without that level of pressure but VC doesn't allow that.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> VC = fast or die. No middle ground VC is expensive capital. The same dilemma exists for companies that issue high-yield debt. > there are ways to scale even without that level of pressure but VC doesn't allow that Genuine question: what is this?
- codegeek 4y ago
  "Genuine question: what is this?" More time. There are examples of bootstrapped businesses that may be took a decade to get to first few million which will be dead in VC terms. But they continued and got to 100s of Millions. VC model would tell them to kill it if after a decade, they were doing a lousy couple million in revenue even if on the right path with PMF.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > bootstrapped businesses that may be took a decade to get to first few million which will be dead in VC terms Isn't the criticism of the last decade of VC that it backed many of these?
    - codegeek 4y ago
      I don't think any VC would back a startup to get to 2M in 10 years. They may do it as a nice gesture if they were failing anyway but no VC would want that outcome after a decade. One example: Gumroad. The investors were nice to let the founder keep going while they let him buy them out for like $1 or something. Today Gumroad is much bigger and decently successful company. Mailchimp was bootstrapped for many years with a service component. If they had raised VC money, they would have been forced to pivot or die early.
    - pjerem 4y ago
      It happened last year to my current employer. It also was the 20 years anniversary of the company. Everything changed and I’ve seen it change from a small agile business with nice people to a baby corporation with up or out mentality, useless processes everywhere, harassment methods from HR department. In one year, VC money created as many millionaires as employee burn-outs.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> VC = fast or die. No middle ground VC is expensive capital. The same dilemma exists for companies that issue high-yield debt. > there are ways to scale even without that level of pressure but VC doesn't allow that Genuine question: what is this?

codegeek 4y ago
"Genuine question: what is this?" More time. There are examples of bootstrapped businesses that may be took a decade to get to first few million which will be dead in VC terms. But they continued and got to 100s of Millions. VC model would tell them to kill it if after a decade, they were doing a lousy couple million in revenue even if on the right path with PMF.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > bootstrapped businesses that may be took a decade to get to first few million which will be dead in VC terms Isn't the criticism of the last decade of VC that it backed many of these?
  - codegeek 4y ago
    I don't think any VC would back a startup to get to 2M in 10 years. They may do it as a nice gesture if they were failing anyway but no VC would want that outcome after a decade. One example: Gumroad. The investors were nice to let the founder keep going while they let him buy them out for like $1 or something. Today Gumroad is much bigger and decently successful company. Mailchimp was bootstrapped for many years with a service component. If they had raised VC money, they would have been forced to pivot or die early.
  - pjerem 4y ago
    It happened last year to my current employer. It also was the 20 years anniversary of the company. Everything changed and I’ve seen it change from a small agile business with nice people to a baby corporation with up or out mentality, useless processes everywhere, harassment methods from HR department. In one year, VC money created as many millionaires as employee burn-outs.