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> Otherwise you appear to willfully misunderstand. These may not be your priorities, but taking offense and framing them as "crazy" does a disservice. So make

> Otherwise you appear to willfully misunderstand. These may not be your priorities, but taking offense and framing them as "crazy" does a disservice. So make your own Go compiler & package manager and stop complaining? The language spec is open. Or if putting your money where your mouth is feels too hard... Use an implementation of a corporate sponsored language that has free and open tooling around it... ex: GNU C/G++ Or fuck it - use the GCCGO compiler... https://go.dev/doc/install/gccgo https://go.dev/doc/install/gccgo Because it turns out if this really is your priority - there are active ways to handle it because, despite being corporate sponsored, the language definition is still open...

mixmastamyk 4y ago
Already do. Still feeling like a personal attack to discuss this idea?
- horsawlarway 4y ago
  > Otherwise you appear to willfully misunderstand. These may not be your priorities, but taking offense and framing them as "crazy" does a disservice. Show me any non-corporate sponsored language that is not a toy, and is seeing serious traction. (hint - I enjoy Nim, but it's not a valid answer). Unlike the original post implies - most of the languages in his list are corporate sponsored... D was created at Digital Mars Open Pascal is... an open implementation of pascal, which was created by IFIP, but most variants are dead and Borland poured a fuck load of money into turbo pascal. So both gov + corporate sponsors Nim... is arguably not corporate sponsored, but it comes right out of open Pascal (which was) and it has trivial use at large (I still enjoy the language - I'm not about to suggest we use it at work). Same as Zig - which is probably the closest to being a true open project in the list (IMO) but which still builds heavily on c++ tooling. (Honestly - I'm most excited about Zig, it's nice and is very close to self-hosting) Steel bank comes right out of Carnegie Mellon (and if you don't think colleges are corporations... boy I've got news for you) Vale... well I actually don't really know anything about this. Honestly one of the first time's I've seen it referenced at all, I'll have to look it up some time. --- So again - WTF is the author talking about? If he just wants a free compiler (Free as in free, not as in beer) they exist for basically any large language out there. If he wants to control language direction and goals... well - he's welcome to write his own language but otherwise I find no compelling difference between a guiding committee/creators on what he considers a "good" language, and the company making decisions for "corporate controlled" languages. If anything - at least I can usually predict what the corporate controlled languages will do, even if it's not always what I'd like...
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mixmastamyk 4y ago

Already do. Still feeling like a personal attack to discuss this idea?

horsawlarway 4y ago
> Otherwise you appear to willfully misunderstand. These may not be your priorities, but taking offense and framing them as "crazy" does a disservice. Show me any non-corporate sponsored language that is not a toy, and is seeing serious traction. (hint - I enjoy Nim, but it's not a valid answer). Unlike the original post implies - most of the languages in his list are corporate sponsored... D was created at Digital Mars Open Pascal is... an open implementation of pascal, which was created by IFIP, but most variants are dead and Borland poured a fuck load of money into turbo pascal. So both gov + corporate sponsors Nim... is arguably not corporate sponsored, but it comes right out of open Pascal (which was) and it has trivial use at large (I still enjoy the language - I'm not about to suggest we use it at work). Same as Zig - which is probably the closest to being a true open project in the list (IMO) but which still builds heavily on c++ tooling. (Honestly - I'm most excited about Zig, it's nice and is very close to self-hosting) Steel bank comes right out of Carnegie Mellon (and if you don't think colleges are corporations... boy I've got news for you) Vale... well I actually don't really know anything about this. Honestly one of the first time's I've seen it referenced at all, I'll have to look it up some time. --- So again - WTF is the author talking about? If he just wants a free compiler (Free as in free, not as in beer) they exist for basically any large language out there. If he wants to control language direction and goals... well - he's welcome to write his own language but otherwise I find no compelling difference between a guiding committee/creators on what he considers a "good" language, and the company making decisions for "corporate controlled" languages. If anything - at least I can usually predict what the corporate controlled languages will do, even if it's not always what I'd like...
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