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Initial reactions from watching the gif, coming in cold, having not seen the new design: 2003: Ouch. Yeah, that's bad. 2005: Great. 2011: Not worse. Maybe a

Initial reactions from watching the gif, coming in cold, having not seen the new design: 2003: Ouch. Yeah, that's bad. 2005: Great. 2011: Not worse. Maybe a little better. I have a vague recollection that some things that aren't well-showcased by a still got better with this one, but the still is at least not-offputting compared with '05. 2022: LOL are you serious? You cannot be serious. Please tell me this is unfinished. All that padding. WTF. Someone accidentally hit "0" too many times in their CSS editor. [EDIT] I mean I guess you need enormous swathes of empty space when you remove all other indicators of section division, but... like... just don't do that, then? [EDIT 2] OK, I was like, "whatever, it sucks, but I'll get over it" until I read this: "When you are logged in to Wikipedia, the updated header will move with you as you scroll." Thank god when I try it on the site this doesn't actually work, since that'd force me to have custom CSS for Wikipedia. {ah, I see now it's because I'm not logged in. Great, easy to avoid then, no problem} Also: I'd love a before-after on page weight. Everyone always seems to add like a full MB of junk to the damn page when they add smart search like that, for some reason, even though it shouldn't require anywhere near that much (see: Github, whose pages bloated a ton when they made their search field "smarter"). One of the nicest things about WP is that it's semi-usable on a potato connection and I wouldn't want to see them sacrifice that in the name of almost any other improvement. [EDIT 3] Being the change I want to see in the world: I checked with caches disabled and it looks like transfer and weight are damn near identical compared with the "wikiless" site that someone else linked, for the same article. Very nice, happy to see that. However, it appears to use double the memory of the Wikiless version (which I suppose represents something closer to the old design?) which seems pretty bad to me.

coldpie 4y ago
> When you are logged in to Wikipedia, the updated header will move with you as you scroll We need to stage some kind of intervention with web designers. There can't be a single person on the planet who actually likes this anti-feature. Why on Earth do they keep doing it?
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  If it's static, at least it's not the worst kind (though I still "select element -> remove" when I see those): the ones that bounce down when you scroll up even one notch, covering the very thing you were scrolling up to see, are the web design equivalent of someone slapping you in the face.
- ketzu 4y ago
  Could you explain to me why this is an anti feature? It seems harmless at worst and useful at best to me, e.g., having access to the search feature and lagnuage select during scroll here. (Serious question, I feel like I am missing something after reading this thread.) I guess I dislike it on mobile when it takes up too much space.
  - coldpie 4y ago
    > it takes up too much space Mostly this. I visit a website to view its content, not its header. I don't need to waste 10% of the screen on something I will almost never use. On Desktop, I can press "Home" to get to the header in the rare instances I want to. On Mobile, screen space is even more valuable, so it's even more annoying to have to waste screen space on the stupid header (and no, web designers, the style that pops up and covers up the content you are trying to read when you scroll up one pixel is not a solution). I'm here to read. Stop interfering with that.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      I just gave some thought to why it bothers me and I actually think some of it might be because they trigger a kind of "oh shit a 'search bar' add-on, kill it with fire!" reflex from the bad ol' days of most computers being full of malware and spyware (now the OS and most programs are spyware, so... progress?). Of course the big ones are simply obnoxious wastes of space, and any that have a drop shadow on the content bother me for what seem like obvious reasons, but even the small ones bug me and I think that might be why. [EDIT] That's just for the static ones—the ones that pop in and out based on scroll behavior are one of the worst design trends in the entire history of the Web, which is saying something, and are in an angry-making category all their own.
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coldpie 4y ago

> When you are logged in to Wikipedia, the updated header will move with you as you scroll We need to stage some kind of intervention with web designers. There can't be a single person on the planet who actually likes this anti-feature. Why on Earth do they keep doing it?

yamtaddle 4y ago
If it's static, at least it's not the worst kind (though I still "select element -> remove" when I see those): the ones that bounce down when you scroll up even one notch, covering the very thing you were scrolling up to see, are the web design equivalent of someone slapping you in the face.
ketzu 4y ago
Could you explain to me why this is an anti feature? It seems harmless at worst and useful at best to me, e.g., having access to the search feature and lagnuage select during scroll here. (Serious question, I feel like I am missing something after reading this thread.) I guess I dislike it on mobile when it takes up too much space.
- coldpie 4y ago
  > it takes up too much space Mostly this. I visit a website to view its content, not its header. I don't need to waste 10% of the screen on something I will almost never use. On Desktop, I can press "Home" to get to the header in the rare instances I want to. On Mobile, screen space is even more valuable, so it's even more annoying to have to waste screen space on the stupid header (and no, web designers, the style that pops up and covers up the content you are trying to read when you scroll up one pixel is not a solution). I'm here to read. Stop interfering with that.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    I just gave some thought to why it bothers me and I actually think some of it might be because they trigger a kind of "oh shit a 'search bar' add-on, kill it with fire!" reflex from the bad ol' days of most computers being full of malware and spyware (now the OS and most programs are spyware, so... progress?). Of course the big ones are simply obnoxious wastes of space, and any that have a drop shadow on the content bother me for what seem like obvious reasons, but even the small ones bug me and I think that might be why. [EDIT] That's just for the static ones—the ones that pop in and out based on scroll behavior are one of the worst design trends in the entire history of the Web, which is saying something, and are in an angry-making category all their own.

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