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> New grads have it a lot easier in the open market IMHO. Maybe the top 10% of new CS grads have it easy, by virtue of having easier access to university -> bi

> New grads have it a lot easier in the open market IMHO. Maybe the top 10% of new CS grads have it easy, by virtue of having easier access to university -> big tech hiring pipelines for junior engineers. But there’s no comparison to the ease of being a senior and having job offers flood in to your LinkedIn on a weekly basis. Getting a new job becomes a function of simply contacting the past 5 recruiters and asking for the interview.

ryandrake 4y ago
> there’s no comparison to the ease of being a senior and having job offers flood in to your LinkedIn on a weekly basis. Splitting hairs a little here, but I've got > 25 years of experience and have not once, ever, received a job offer through LinkedIn, let alone weekly. I've had recruiters showing varying levels of interest contact me there, but never "Hi, person I've never met, great resume! Here is your job offer letter, we're offering $XXX,XXX compensation..." Senior people do get contacted by recruiters, but they're fishing, and all of these contacts are extremely early in the pipeline. We have to go through the whole process, just like junior folks. The endless phone screens, the whiteboard hazing, the ghosting, the salary negotiation. Being senior and experienced doesn't let you bypass it. "Networking" doesn't let you bypass it. I know that's probably what you mean, but the simplifying-meme "job offers flooding your inbox" gets repeated and I think people get the wrong idea about how easy it is.
- notch656c 4y ago
  I've had it happen once. I'm still shocked to this day it happened. The whole experience was surreal. They paid me 6 figures, offered the job out of the blue basically on linked in, I started like a week later and then I was assigned basically nothing. I did basically nothing for a 3 month contract and then left. Without pursuing the job, without barely doing anything, and then left without any real comment. And we're not talking some fluke small company with no controls. This was a fortune 500. The job had no particularly interesting requirements so I guess somebody just said fill the seat for a few months and I was just grabbed. At the time I was doing a lot of international wandering so it was a nice easy refueling top up stateside.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
    That is a fascinating story; thanks for sharing. I can only imagine the ever-increasing disbelief as you went along with this.
    - Traubenfuchs 4y ago
      I spent 2 months working for a big insurance company via a big 4 consultancy and 3 other devs + me were literally sleeping with our heads on the conference room tabe they gave to us, 8 hours a day. It scarred us forever.
- Our_Benefactors 4y ago
  It lets you bypass the step of “I sent my resume and never heard back” which is the reality for many junior candidates. There’s a huge difference between getting to go through the motions as often as you please versus not being given the time of day.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    It may sound like a big difference, but turns out not to be when bills start coming due. Going through the motions is worth... nada.
    - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
      Bad attitude. Would you rather be unemployed and receiving no callbacks, or unemployed and still having your pick of which recruiters to engage with?
      - mixmastamyk 4y ago
        It made absolutely no difference for me at one point. At least the first is not a waste of time. Could have directed to a floss project.
        Our_Benefactors 4y ago
        > At least the first is not a waste of time. Could have directed to a floss project Oh, the irony…
        mixmastamyk 4y ago
        Let me guess, you are using MS Word to compose these posts?

ryandrake 4y ago

> there’s no comparison to the ease of being a senior and having job offers flood in to your LinkedIn on a weekly basis. Splitting hairs a little here, but I've got > 25 years of experience and have not once, ever, received a job offer through LinkedIn, let alone weekly. I've had recruiters showing varying levels of interest contact me there, but never "Hi, person I've never met, great resume! Here is your job offer letter, we're offering $XXX,XXX compensation..." Senior people do get contacted by recruiters, but they're fishing, and all of these contacts are extremely early in the pipeline. We have to go through the whole process, just like junior folks. The endless phone screens, the whiteboard hazing, the ghosting, the salary negotiation. Being senior and experienced doesn't let you bypass it. "Networking" doesn't let you bypass it. I know that's probably what you mean, but the simplifying-meme "job offers flooding your inbox" gets repeated and I think people get the wrong idea about how easy it is.

notch656c 4y ago
I've had it happen once. I'm still shocked to this day it happened. The whole experience was surreal. They paid me 6 figures, offered the job out of the blue basically on linked in, I started like a week later and then I was assigned basically nothing. I did basically nothing for a 3 month contract and then left. Without pursuing the job, without barely doing anything, and then left without any real comment. And we're not talking some fluke small company with no controls. This was a fortune 500. The job had no particularly interesting requirements so I guess somebody just said fill the seat for a few months and I was just grabbed. At the time I was doing a lot of international wandering so it was a nice easy refueling top up stateside.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
  That is a fascinating story; thanks for sharing. I can only imagine the ever-increasing disbelief as you went along with this.
  - Traubenfuchs 4y ago
    I spent 2 months working for a big insurance company via a big 4 consultancy and 3 other devs + me were literally sleeping with our heads on the conference room tabe they gave to us, 8 hours a day. It scarred us forever.
Our_Benefactors 4y ago
It lets you bypass the step of “I sent my resume and never heard back” which is the reality for many junior candidates. There’s a huge difference between getting to go through the motions as often as you please versus not being given the time of day.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  It may sound like a big difference, but turns out not to be when bills start coming due. Going through the motions is worth... nada.
  - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
    Bad attitude. Would you rather be unemployed and receiving no callbacks, or unemployed and still having your pick of which recruiters to engage with?
    - mixmastamyk 4y ago
      It made absolutely no difference for me at one point. At least the first is not a waste of time. Could have directed to a floss project.
      - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
        > At least the first is not a waste of time. Could have directed to a floss project Oh, the irony…
        mixmastamyk 4y ago
        Let me guess, you are using MS Word to compose these posts?