Yes! And some startups even set up k8s, manage db themselves, and spin up microservices. Even before having their first user! So much hassle to support it when

Yes! And some startups even set up k8s, manage db themselves, and spin up microservices. Even before having their first user! So much hassle to support it when that shit breaks. Also, to add to you list - Railway and Vercel are also super great