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Why would anyone work somewhere that cuts 7% annually as a rule BEFORE layoffs?

by geraldwhen 4y ago

edgyquant 4y ago
Because they have bills to pay and not everyone has the ability to pick and choose the job they like the best
- geraldwhen 4y ago
  Replace “anyone” with “developers” then. And most do have the ability to pick their job.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    They really don’t though. I thought this way for awhile until I became friends with some junior/mid level devs who spent months depressed because they wanted any job.
Mountain_Skies 4y ago
Most people don't think they're the bottom 7% of workers in their field. Also to have a FAANG company on their resume or maybe just because they were in need of income at the point in time the job was offered to them.
xyzelement 4y ago
Different people have different confidence and risk tolerance. I once advised someone like this - take the Amazon offer. First of all, YOU (this guy was excellent and driven) aren't likely to be in the bottom X percent. And even if you are, the X years you spend at Amazon will teach you skills (not to mention resume) you won't get anywhere else. So even if you got laid off, you'd be better off long run. That doesn't work for everyone of course.
- rnk 4y ago
  I know several experienced people who quit less than 3 months before a big stock vest. They all said it was so stressful and terrible they couldn't stand another day, even for another 250k. Soul deadening, they called it. They all got jobs at other big companies, but without that stress.
trts 4y ago
The answer is that Amazon pays well and carries prestige on your resume, just not compared to other FAANG or other USA startups that are at the forefront of tech. The company also has significant growth opportunities compared to mid-sized startups or legacy companies hiring tech workers. There are also many really talented people and mentors there. The forced attrition makes it mostly suck however.
- maximinus_thrax 4y ago
  > carries prestige on your resume I don't necessarily agree with this. Myself (and others) in the Seattle area are vocally biased against hiring Amazon alumni (especially for leadership positions) as we've found they're a significant risk to our company culture.
  - hello_moto 4y ago
    Many others disagree with you because of various reasons. PS: I'm with you though; prefer not to have ex-Amazon because somehow that company can turn good people into sharks preying on others when moved on. Maybe because in order to survive there one must learn and adapt, therefore "becoming" as ruthless/cutthroat as them.
    - rnk 4y ago
      That feels contradictory. You disagree with the person who says they don't like to hire ex-amazon, but you yourself prefer not to hire ex-amazon. Sorry, what's your point?
      - hello_moto 4y ago
        I don't think it's contradictory. I mentioned that there are plenty companies would love to hire ex-Amazon as the earlier poster suggested due to Prestige (among other thing). I merely stating that we (me and the poster I replied) might be the tiny minorities.
      - jujube3 4y ago
neon_electro 4y ago
I wish Amazon recruiters would honor my perennial request to permanently remove me from any of their hiring systems and never contact me again, but I think that process has steadily taught me just how much recruiters aren't operating from a CRM-like centralized system and are just directly using LinkedIn to source prospects.
- inetknght 4y ago
  > I wish Amazon recruiters would honor my perennial request to permanently remove me from any of their hiring systems and never contact me again Solution: block emails from @amazon\.(com,co\.uk)\.? You might not get your purchase information any more. But that's not a problem if you just stop using Amazon. But that also begs the question: why might someone be a customer of Amazon if they don't like their employment practices?
  - ctvo 4y ago
    > why might someone be a customer of Amazon if they don't like their employment practices? The person may not want to work on retail or cloud technology. They don't like the corporate environment. They don't like the work life balance, etc.. It doesn't always reflect their opinion on the overall company. It may in this case, but your confident tone is an odd one to take.

Why would anyone work somewhere that cuts 7% annually as a rule BEFORE layoffs?

edgyquant 4y ago

Because they have bills to pay and not everyone has the ability to pick and choose the job they like the best

geraldwhen 4y ago
Replace “anyone” with “developers” then. And most do have the ability to pick their job.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  They really don’t though. I thought this way for awhile until I became friends with some junior/mid level devs who spent months depressed because they wanted any job.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

Most people don't think they're the bottom 7% of workers in their field. Also to have a FAANG company on their resume or maybe just because they were in need of income at the point in time the job was offered to them.

xyzelement 4y ago

Different people have different confidence and risk tolerance. I once advised someone like this - take the Amazon offer. First of all, YOU (this guy was excellent and driven) aren't likely to be in the bottom X percent. And even if you are, the X years you spend at Amazon will teach you skills (not to mention resume) you won't get anywhere else. So even if you got laid off, you'd be better off long run. That doesn't work for everyone of course.

rnk 4y ago
I know several experienced people who quit less than 3 months before a big stock vest. They all said it was so stressful and terrible they couldn't stand another day, even for another 250k. Soul deadening, they called it. They all got jobs at other big companies, but without that stress.

trts 4y ago

The answer is that Amazon pays well and carries prestige on your resume, just not compared to other FAANG or other USA startups that are at the forefront of tech. The company also has significant growth opportunities compared to mid-sized startups or legacy companies hiring tech workers. There are also many really talented people and mentors there. The forced attrition makes it mostly suck however.

maximinus_thrax 4y ago
> carries prestige on your resume I don't necessarily agree with this. Myself (and others) in the Seattle area are vocally biased against hiring Amazon alumni (especially for leadership positions) as we've found they're a significant risk to our company culture.
- hello_moto 4y ago
  Many others disagree with you because of various reasons. PS: I'm with you though; prefer not to have ex-Amazon because somehow that company can turn good people into sharks preying on others when moved on. Maybe because in order to survive there one must learn and adapt, therefore "becoming" as ruthless/cutthroat as them.
  - rnk 4y ago
    That feels contradictory. You disagree with the person who says they don't like to hire ex-amazon, but you yourself prefer not to hire ex-amazon. Sorry, what's your point?
    - hello_moto 4y ago
      I don't think it's contradictory. I mentioned that there are plenty companies would love to hire ex-Amazon as the earlier poster suggested due to Prestige (among other thing). I merely stating that we (me and the poster I replied) might be the tiny minorities.
    - jujube3 4y ago

neon_electro 4y ago

I wish Amazon recruiters would honor my perennial request to permanently remove me from any of their hiring systems and never contact me again, but I think that process has steadily taught me just how much recruiters aren't operating from a CRM-like centralized system and are just directly using LinkedIn to source prospects.

inetknght 4y ago
> I wish Amazon recruiters would honor my perennial request to permanently remove me from any of their hiring systems and never contact me again Solution: block emails from @amazon\.(com,co\.uk)\.? You might not get your purchase information any more. But that's not a problem if you just stop using Amazon. But that also begs the question: why might someone be a customer of Amazon if they don't like their employment practices?
- ctvo 4y ago
  > why might someone be a customer of Amazon if they don't like their employment practices? The person may not want to work on retail or cloud technology. They don't like the corporate environment. They don't like the work life balance, etc.. It doesn't always reflect their opinion on the overall company. It may in this case, but your confident tone is an odd one to take.