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I switched from 1Password to Bitwarden, imported my vault, and then realized that their client doesn’t even support drag ‘n drop. I’ve been wanting to switch f

by jorvi 4y ago

I switched from 1Password to Bitwarden, imported my vault, and then realized that their client doesn’t even support drag ‘n drop. I’ve been wanting to switch from 1Password to Bitwarden for years, but each year I try it I’m just flummoxed by how atrociously behind the UX / UI still is. Unless you (or whoever you’re getting to switch) are an absolute open source absolutist: do yourself a favor and go for 1Password.

afavour 4y ago
I did try to switch a year or so ago and got really frustrated. Tried again a week ago and Bitwarden does seem a little better. It helps that it feels like 1Password's app has been getting more bloated over time (though I have no data to support that assertion).
- roustem 4y ago
  1Password certainly added a ton of new features recently :) Did you check 1Password developer tools, like SSH-agent server, git commit signing, and CLI? https://developer.1password.com/ https://developer.1password.com/ Or the new item and file sharing. https://support.1password.com/share-items/ https://support.1password.com/share-items/
  - miked85 4y ago
    I refuse to use a cloud-based password manager, they will all be hacked eventually. I will continue to use and pay for the standalone 1Password as long as possible, and then be forced to self-host vaultwarden.
    - jorvi 4y ago
      Almost two decades without any serious breach does inspire some confidence. I put them under the same reliability umbrella (maybe even a touch higher) than Fastmail, which is high praise IMO.
  - afavour 4y ago
    I have no interest in those things, they're good examples of what I don't want in my password manager. Sorry, I don't mean to sound like an ass, they look like very well put together features. They just remind me of when Dropbox decided to start offering document editing. Not what I go there for.
    - roustem 4y ago
      Fair enough, everyone has their own requirements. I'd argue that all modern operating systems have password management already built-in. We have a lot of 1Password customers with families and team members that require more than a single vault, need an option to recover team/family member access and often have to securely share data with other people, accountants and lawyers. Also, many of developers and admins that want to keep their SSH keys safe.
panzi 4y ago
Bitwarden is the first password manager I ever used. Where would it use drag and drop and for what? I wish it would be better controllable vie keyboard-only. That is, when you use the Firefox add on and tab out of the Bitwarden popup and tab back in again it remembers the focus on e.g. the copy password button, you just have to hit space again and tab back to the terminal window where you need to use the password. But Brave doesn't remember the focus so annoyingly I have to grab the mouse.
- selykg 4y ago
  In 1Password there's at least a half dozen ways that drag and drop could be used: - Drag a password into a password field - Drag an attachment from Finder/Explorer into an item - Drag an item from vault to vault (or collection in Bitwarden parlance) - Drag an item into a tag or folder to add that item to the folder, or add that tag to the item - Drag an app to the 1Password icon to create a software license item with the icon of the app as well as name There are also drag and drop functions, some similar to above, on iOS as well. Bitwarden is... and I agree with the grand parent here, awful from a UX angle, compared to 1Password. It's certainly functional, but that's about where it ends for me.
  - dddw 4y ago
    You must be on mac, because my 1pw experience is horrible on Linux. Edit a password in the browserextention opens an new tab in n which i have to login all again. Ugh. Bitwarden at least doesn't do that. Drag and drop? Nope.
    - jorvi 4y ago
      With 1Password 8, AgileBits made 1Password an universal Electron app. Experience is virtually the same whether you are on Mac, Windows or Linux. The 1Password browser extension and application should sync, but it’s experimental on Linux AFAIK.
    - selykg 4y ago
      Technically it does the same thing on Mac, it opens the Mac app. But on a Mac there's universal unlock, so if you have the extension unlocked, the app will unlock, so it opens the item you want to edit in edit mode. If you don't have the app installed it opens the website in a tab to signin and edit.

by jorvi 4y ago

afavour 4y ago

I did try to switch a year or so ago and got really frustrated. Tried again a week ago and Bitwarden does seem a little better. It helps that it feels like 1Password's app has been getting more bloated over time (though I have no data to support that assertion).

roustem 4y ago
1Password certainly added a ton of new features recently :) Did you check 1Password developer tools, like SSH-agent server, git commit signing, and CLI? https://developer.1password.com/ https://developer.1password.com/ Or the new item and file sharing. https://support.1password.com/share-items/ https://support.1password.com/share-items/
- miked85 4y ago
  I refuse to use a cloud-based password manager, they will all be hacked eventually. I will continue to use and pay for the standalone 1Password as long as possible, and then be forced to self-host vaultwarden.
  - jorvi 4y ago
    Almost two decades without any serious breach does inspire some confidence. I put them under the same reliability umbrella (maybe even a touch higher) than Fastmail, which is high praise IMO.
- afavour 4y ago
  I have no interest in those things, they're good examples of what I don't want in my password manager. Sorry, I don't mean to sound like an ass, they look like very well put together features. They just remind me of when Dropbox decided to start offering document editing. Not what I go there for.
  - roustem 4y ago
    Fair enough, everyone has their own requirements. I'd argue that all modern operating systems have password management already built-in. We have a lot of 1Password customers with families and team members that require more than a single vault, need an option to recover team/family member access and often have to securely share data with other people, accountants and lawyers. Also, many of developers and admins that want to keep their SSH keys safe.

panzi 4y ago

Bitwarden is the first password manager I ever used. Where would it use drag and drop and for what? I wish it would be better controllable vie keyboard-only. That is, when you use the Firefox add on and tab out of the Bitwarden popup and tab back in again it remembers the focus on e.g. the copy password button, you just have to hit space again and tab back to the terminal window where you need to use the password. But Brave doesn't remember the focus so annoyingly I have to grab the mouse.

selykg 4y ago
In 1Password there's at least a half dozen ways that drag and drop could be used: - Drag a password into a password field - Drag an attachment from Finder/Explorer into an item - Drag an item from vault to vault (or collection in Bitwarden parlance) - Drag an item into a tag or folder to add that item to the folder, or add that tag to the item - Drag an app to the 1Password icon to create a software license item with the icon of the app as well as name There are also drag and drop functions, some similar to above, on iOS as well. Bitwarden is... and I agree with the grand parent here, awful from a UX angle, compared to 1Password. It's certainly functional, but that's about where it ends for me.
- dddw 4y ago
  You must be on mac, because my 1pw experience is horrible on Linux. Edit a password in the browserextention opens an new tab in n which i have to login all again. Ugh. Bitwarden at least doesn't do that. Drag and drop? Nope.
  - jorvi 4y ago
    With 1Password 8, AgileBits made 1Password an universal Electron app. Experience is virtually the same whether you are on Mac, Windows or Linux. The 1Password browser extension and application should sync, but it’s experimental on Linux AFAIK.
  - selykg 4y ago
    Technically it does the same thing on Mac, it opens the Mac app. But on a Mac there's universal unlock, so if you have the extension unlocked, the app will unlock, so it opens the item you want to edit in edit mode. If you don't have the app installed it opens the website in a tab to signin and edit.