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MSFT manager of 25+ person team here with no actual heads up on this. The writing has been on the wall for months though from internal comms so this should co
by thr0w4w4ymsft 4y ago
MSFT manager of 25+ person team here with no actual heads up on this. The writing has been on the wall for months though from internal comms so this should come as a surprise to no one.
No one on my team has any information about this beyond the Satya email, so this is either a "no news is good news" situation (assuming you don't actually want to be laid off), or a poorly executed process. I'm hoping for the former for the sake of my team.
- brink 4y agoIf he gave managers a heads up, it would have been immediately leaked to the press.
- sbarre 4y agoBecoming a manager in large enterprise companies is basically an entry-level position all over again.. Except people care even less about your job experience since you're "leadership" now and are expected to toe the line no matter what.
- ddalex 4y agoAt faangs not even directors get a head up before the night before on plans. The only ones that can set strategy are VPs and above.
- vishnugupta 4y agoTruer words have not been spoken. Can confirm from my experience.
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- activitypea 4y agoGood thing it didn't leak then, huh
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- x86x87 4y agoLol. This was floating on Blind for at least 2-3 days.
- dehrmann 4y agoBlind has predicted 5 of the last 3 layoffs.
- x86x87 4y agoThat's why as a journalist you cannot use it a legit source. But usually you get an advanced warning. This comes with the cost of the paranoia induced by seeing the corporate underbelly
- kerpotgh 4y agoSo the weekly layoffs thread is right sometimes!
- photonbeam 4y ago> The writing has been on the wall for months though from internal comms What did the hints look like?
- rk06 4y agoCost cutting. Move to floating desk and reduction in building space. There were few more things. But the shift to floating seats was a big indicator that serious cost cutting is happening. And everyone guessed that layoffs are next. I am based in India. US folks would have seen different signs
- w0m 4y agoStock went from 350 to 250.
- mandeepj 4y ago> Stock went from 350 to 250 It went to 350 from 30
- JackFr 4y agoNot sure here, but in my experience no backfill hires for voluntary leavers is a pretty good warning.
- smugma 4y agoOther companies stopped backfilling a while ago but doesn't mean they plan on laying people off (and you can look at 2008-2010 for reference to see that some companies didn't backfill but didn't have layoffs). Not over-growing and then shrinking through attrition is one way to rightsize a company in tougher times.
- JackFr 4y agoAbsolutely - but absent corporate communications saying "Everything is great" or "OMG we're doomed.", it's a very relevant data point.
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- wyldfire 4y agoI always assumed that the disclosure rules for publicly traded companies would require them not to give anyone notice in advance of the public.
- joshribakoff 4y agoNot true. Companies share material non public information internally. What they do is they have blackout periods where you cant trade the stock, and constant reminders not to trade based upon material non public information (insider trading) Tl;DR = possessing insider info != insider trading Generally speaking, with a layoff, they want all employees to hear it from official sources and not internal rumors.
- zelos 4y ago> ...with some notifications happening today. I guess there are complexities with huge multinational companies, but that seems kind of designed to make people like your team worry.
- aeyes 4y agoIt's designed so that no one can be blamed because you never know who took the decision and that no one has a chance to speak up against it. My understanding is also that during mass layoffs big companiess can't just cut all low performers / juniors so this might be completely random but we just don't get to know that.
- winReInstall 4y agoHow can you actually signal you want to be laid off? Is that something you say when the news goes out? Loads of "NoFuture" cooperate punk in the FAMG. Monopoly does not make the work interesting.
- wnolens 4y agoAt least you got an email from Satya. Amazon folks need to stumble across major news outlets.
- verst 4y agoMajor news came yesterday. Satya email this morning.
- verst 4y agoI know some teams who had a sudden team meeting scheduled by their skip manager for 9 am today. I suspect this is how organization changes will be communicated to affected teams.
- petilon 4y agoIt is a poorly executed process: "... the reduction of our overall workforce by 10,000 jobs through the end of FY23 Q3". So employees will have to live with uncertainty for the next three months!
- Prolixium 4y agoMaybe they /want/ to see some increase in attrition due to the uncertainty. It's a very rough way of going about that, though.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoMaybe some employees are told the project or division they work on will shut down months from now, so start looking internally for transfers?
- pyuser583 4y agoAll employees get 60 days notice, so it seems like there will be 30 days of uncertainty. Maybe I'm optimistic.
- mym1990 4y agoCan you give an example of what a broadly speaking internal comm(not anything specific to MSFT) would look like that might be a red flag for future layoffs?